Remis wrote:Debian: A distribtion without graphical wireless support even in the first DVD and CD should NOT be called desktop or universell distrubtion. Also, they have netinstall on the homepage instead of a KDE live CD. Users who need a netinstall know where to look for it, even if it is deep hidden, they WILL find it, despite to desktop users who don't know where to look for the desktop live cd with all the stuff. They just download what it shows on the homepage. There can be several downloadlinks, BUT IT HAS TO BE ON THE HP without hundred of clicks. It is that simple and the creators always do it wrong.
Could not dissagree more with pretty much this entire post about Debian. Debian has an absolute place in the Linux world which can not be rivalled and in terms of stability it simply can not be matched by any other free Distro out in the wild today. Sure, you can go for CentOS, or Scientific Linux, but those also have some hefty limitations compared to the maturity of the Debian model. In short, if you want a stable Desktop that always works with no hassles after setting up your system once, you go for Debian Stable (Squeeze currently). If you want to play with the latest and greatest using a really innovative and sometimes stable approach but with far less packages in the Binary repo than Debian or Fedora AND the ability to play with source packages, then maybe Sabayon has a niche. Sort of, although most Linux users would probably dissagree there as well. So, where does Sabayon fit in to the overcrowded world of Linux Distro's? I have no idea but it is a fun distro when it works and I do appreciate everything Fabio has done.
PS.. Debian calls itself the "Universal OS" simply because it fully supports a huge array of infrastructures, including BSD. It's stable releases must support all of them and be free of all release critical bugs. It is a "release when ready" distro as opposed to the "release early, release often" model that Ubuntu and Fedora use, which is something that long time Linux users come to greatly appreciate. I guess it all comes down to wether or not you want stability over the "oohhh, shiny!!111!!" that bleeding edge Distro's like Sabayon offer at the cost of an unstable system that also tends to break frequently as a result of unstable code that has not yet been thoroughly vetted and integrated into the system as a whole to include all possible use cases.
Personally, I owe a lot to Fabio, Wolfden and crew (at the time) for helping me past the Linux learning curve. Sabayon was my very first adventure into the big bad world of Linux and it was an awesome Distro to cut my teeth on. Since then I moved on to Arch Linux, Fedora, Gentoo, OpenSUSE, CentOS, finally settling on Debian Stable, which is where my home is for my servers and primary workstations/desktops. However, I always have a "play" system with Sabayon on it and always will as a reminder to me of where it all started. Many thanks to you crazy guys/gals and I do hope Sabayon continues to lead the crowd when it comes to innovative new ways of doing things. This is what Sabayon does best IMO.