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Not so Out of the box

Postby way12go » Sat Apr 12, 2014 9:31

Sabayon is out of the box distro right?

Pdf reader is missing

Libre office is missing

Unetbootin is missing

I wish it has

1. Firefox

and

2. Google Chrome too.

If I have to install it in a laptop without internet connection how do I download

above files and install them offline?

Ubuntu - deb files

Suse linux - rpm files

Sabayon - what files?

I downloaded April 5th Daily Xfce Forensics and burned it to a DVD.

Please help me out.

Thanks.
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Re: Not so Out of the box

Postby Honeyman » Mon Apr 14, 2014 17:30

Hi Sagar,

I can only partially understand your frustration. As Sabayon uses its own packaging system you will have real trouble finding ready-made packages for downloading that are specifically built for Sabayon Linux. In that respect you are totally correct.

Installing Linux packages, or upgrading without internet access is tricky and can be a pain in the a***. Modern Linux distributions 'presume' that you have internet access, Sabayon is no different from Ubuntu, Debian or SUSE in that regard (or almost all other Linux distributions for that matter). The Ubuntu or SUSE folks also STRONGLY advise you to install packages via the respective package manager which necessitates internet access.

In your case you would have to download the source packages for Firefox or whatever program you want to install onto another computer and then install them manually on your system, hoping that all works well and that it gets ingegrated into your desktop environment (menu entries, icons and that stuff). There is a reason, why using the distribution's package manager is the recommended way to go.

Sabayon does come with Chromium, the open source version of Google's Chrome. I believe that by default it also ships with a PDF viewer, should be Evince for GNOME, Okular for KDE and Atril for other desktop environments.

Maybe somebody else could confirm that.

Doesn help you in your situation, but should make some things clearer,

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Re: Not so Out of the box

Postby way12go » Tue Apr 15, 2014 0:33

Thanks a lot for your very informative answer.
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Re: Not so Out of the box

Postby totedati » Thu Apr 17, 2014 20:36

using
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cat /etc/sabayon-edition
Sabayon Linux 14.01 amd64 KDE

live dvd iso image dumped on a usb stick

Pdf reader is missing


not true!

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equo s kde-base/okular
╠  @@ Searching...
╠      @@ Package: kde-base/okular-4.12.3 branch: 5, [sabayon-weekly]
╠          Available:     version: 4.12.3 ~ tag: NoTag ~ revision: 0
╠          Installed:     version: 4.11.4 ~ tag: NoTag ~ revision: 0
╠          Slot:          4
╠          Homepage:      http://okular.kde.org
╠                         http://www.kde.org/applications/graphics/okular
╠          Description:   Okular is a universal document
╠                         viewer based on KPDF for KDE 4.
╠          License:       GPL-2
╠   Keywords:  kde-base/okular


so an pdf reader is available ...

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Libre office is missing


not true!

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equo s app-office/libreoffice
╠  @@ Searching...
╠      @@ Package: app-office/libreoffice-4.2.1.1 branch: 5, [sabayon-weekly]
╠          Available:     version: 4.2.1.1 ~ tag: NoTag ~ revision: 0
╠          Installed:     version: 4.1.3.2 ~ tag: NoTag ~ revision: 0
╠          Slot:          0
╠          Homepage:      http://www.libreoffice.org
╠          Description:   LibreOffice, a full office productivity
╠                         suite.
╠          License:       LGPL-3 MPL-1.1


is here too with all its full weight

Unetbootin is missing

you don't need it anymore ... just simply dump the iso to /dev/your_usb_stick using dd and that is

I wish it has

1. Firefox

and

2. Google Chrome too.


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equo s www-client/chromium
╠  @@ Searching...
╠      @@ Package: www-client/chromium-33.0.1750.152 branch: 5, [sabayon-weekly]
╠          Available:     version: 33.0.1750.152 ~ tag: NoTag ~ revision: 0
╠          Installed:     version: 31.0.1650.63 ~ tag: NoTag ~ revision: 0
╠          Slot:          0
╠          Homepage:      http://chromium.org/
╠          Description:   Open-source version of Google
╠                         Chrome web browser
╠          License:       BSD
╠   Keywords:  www-client/chromium
╠   Found:     1 entry


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equo s www-client/firefox
╠  @@ Searching...
╠      @@ Package: www-client/firefox-28.0 branch: 5, [sabayon-weekly]
╠          Available:     version: 28.0 ~ tag: NoTag ~ revision: 0
╠          Installed:     version: Not installed ~ tag: n/a ~ revision: n/a
╠          Slot:          0
╠          Homepage:      http://www.mozilla.com/firefox
╠          Description:   Firefox Web Browser
╠          License:       GPL-2 LGPL-2.1 MPL-2.0
╠   Keywords:  www-client/firefox
╠   Found:     1 entry


google chrome is here but firefox is not ... only 50% true ( me also wish firefox installed by default not chrome )

If I have to install it in a laptop without internet connection how do I download

above files and install them offline?


packages.sabayon.org is the place from where you can download all of it

to install it offline you need to dump that files, media-sound-asunder-2.4.2c65b0e280da7558afa6e396aa721b5935248f58~0.tbz2 for example, in a special location .. from command:
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equo status
╠ # 1 Sabayon Linux Official Repository
╠     Repository name: sabayon-weekly
╠     Revision: 3061
╠     Repository class: entropy.client.interfaces.db.AvailablePackagesRepository
╠     GPG: /var/lib/entropy/client/database/amd64/sabayon-weekly/standard/amd64/5/signature.asc
╠     Notice Board: http://pkg.sabayon.org/standard/sabayon-weekly/database/amd64/5/notice.rss
╠     Path: /var/lib/entropy/client/database/amd64/sabayon-weekly/standard/amd64/5
╠     Repository URL: http://pkg.sabayon.org
╠     Package URLs:
╠      1. http://redir.sabayon.org/entropy
╠      2. http://dl.sabayon.org/entropy
╠      3. http://best.sabayon.org/entropy
╠      4. http://pkg.sabayon.org
╠      5. http://na.mirror.garr.it/mirrors/sabayonlinux/entropy
╠      6. http://bali.idrepo.or.id/sabayon/entropy
╠      7. http://madura.idrepo.or.id/sabayon/entropy
╠      8. http://sumbawa.idrepo.or.id/sabayon/entropy
╠      9. http://riksun.riken.go.jp/pub/pub/Linux/sabayon/entropy
╠      10. http://ftp.yz.yamagata-u.ac.jp/pub/linux/sabayonlinux/entropy
╠      11. http://ftp.kddilabs.jp/Linux/packages/sabayonlinux/entropy
╠      12. http://ftp.sh.cvut.cz/MIRRORS/sabayon/entropy
╠      13. http://debian.mirror.dkm.cz/sabayon/entropy
╠      14. ftp://ftp.klid.dk/sabayonlinux/entropy
╠      15. http://ftp.fsn.hu/pub/linux/distributions/sabayon/entropy
╠      16. http://ftp.cc.uoc.gr/mirrors/linux/SabayonLinux/entropy
╠      17. http://ftp.rnl.ist.utl.pt/pub/sabayon/entropy
╠      18. http://mirror.freelydifferent.com/sabayon/entropy
╠      19. ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/sabayonlinux/entropy
╠      20. http://ftp.surfnet.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/sabayonlinux/entropy
╠      21. http://mirror.internode.on.net/pub/sabayon/entropy
╠      22. http://www2.itti.ifce.edu.br/sabayon/entropy
╠      23. http://mirror.yandex.ru/sabayon/entropy
╠      24. http://sabayon.c3sl.ufpr.br/entropy
╠      25. http://mirror.umd.edu/sabayonlinux/entropy
╠      26. http://mirror.clarkson.edu/sabayon/entropy
╠      27. http://cross-lfs.sabayonlinux.org/entropy
╠      28. http://na.mirror.garr.it/mirrors/sabayonlinux/entropy


i see that Path: /var/lib/entropy/client/database/amd64/sabayon-weekly/standard/amd64/5 will give me the hint where i need to dump that tbz2 file to be available offline in an automatic way ... not quite here but very close, the path is /var/lib/entropy/client/packages/packages/amd64/5 .. still what is true is that because sabayon is a rolling release distro old versions of any package is not available for a very long time ... and true again, for entropy to really work you need at least a initial internet connection to update equo database which is missing in all dvd or cd iso images ... without its infrastructure correctly initialized with a command like equo update you can't install any tbz2 package

I downloaded April 5th Daily Xfce Forensics and burned it to a DVD

lol! and in it you want libreoffice, firefox AND chrome preinstalled? try sabayon gnome or kde live dvds for that!
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Re: Not so Out of the box

Postby way12go » Thu Apr 17, 2014 23:18

My system specs are low, that's why I downleaded Xfce Forensics. Thanks a lot for your informative post. Just tell me is Sabayon the best linux distro or is it Fedora?
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Re: Not so Out of the box

Postby Honeyman » Fri Apr 18, 2014 7:39

way12go wrote:My system specs are low, that's why I downleaded Xfce Forensics. Thanks a lot for your informative post. Just tell me is Sabayon the best linux distro or is it Fedora?


I don't think there is an answer to your question. Depending on your needs a different Linux distribution will suit you best. Personally I had bad experiences with all Fedora editions so far (Fedora 11-20): installer crashed, unstable, slow package manager. But other people's experiences will differ. Both distributions have up-to-date package versions, Fedora's YUM package manager is definitively very slow, but I believe the Fedora community is larger, which potentially means more support when encountering problems.

Regarding your low system specs an alternative would be AntiX-Linux which is Debian-based (and completely Debian-compatible, unlike Ubuntu). System requirements do not so much depend on the specific Linux distribution you use, but rather on the windows manager. Meaning that every distribution running on XFCE, LXDE or better still IceWM, Fluxbox, etc. should be suitable to your needs. And you can install the desktop environment you wish on pretty much any Linux distribution.
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Re: Not so Out of the box

Postby totedati » Fri Apr 18, 2014 14:53

way12go wrote:Just tell me is Sabayon the best linux distro or is it Fedora?

i can't have an informed opinion because i do not used fedora in the past ... i am an redhat -> mandrake -> mandriva -> rr4 linux -> sabayon distro hopping guy who stop the hopping, which is increasingly boring as you get older, a long time ago ...
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Re: Not so Out of the box

Postby Lemuriano » Fri Apr 18, 2014 15:53

way12go wrote:My system specs are low, that's why I downleaded Xfce Forensics. Thanks a lot for your informative post. Just tell me is Sabayon the best linux distro or is it Fedora?


As a test, I just install Sabayon on a desktop that use to have Windows 2000 with very little ram, if I recall correctly. It didn't support usb or dvd to boot, so I was force to use a cd with Sabayon Spinabse and build it from there with what my friend needs and nothing more.

We use Abiword & Gnumeric instead of LibreOffice. In browsers, Seamonkey is preferred, but for this project we chose Midori.

Understanding that Sabayon is aim for newer machines, the end result was a functional system configure to my friend needs.

But if Sabayon is install on a pc with better specs, it can be an out of the box experience. 8)
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