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No simple package manager [Solved]

Postby Sharok » Sat Oct 24, 2009 2:28

Hi guys,

I really like the work you did on sabayon.
It is the best distro that i ever saw BUT there's no simple package manager.

I don't have the time to use the terminal to compile/install an app that i can get instantly on every other distro.

It ruins my experience on sabayon.

Because of that, I'm forced to quit like many others...

Well, i don't know a lot about gentoo stuff so don't bash me.
Is it possible to setup something on sabayon to be able to use .RPM or .DEB packages?
It's the only bad thing in sabayon.
In fact, you got the most high tech distro out there but you still use some kind of primitive package manager.
A year ago, only sabayon could use my hardware so i had to use it but it was hard to setup and i was messing some things.

Sorry for any English mistake.

Cya.
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Re: No simple package manager

Postby obnascar » Sat Oct 24, 2009 3:39

Have you tried Sulfur ?

http://wiki.sabayonlinux.org/index.php?title=Sulfur

This may or may not be simple emough for you, give it a try if you havn't already.
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Re: No simple package manager

Postby Fitzcarraldo » Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:14

I use several distributions. Because of Ubuntu, APT is the most commonly known package manager by newcomers to Linux: apt-get on the command line and Synaptic as the GUI. Synaptic is usually used as a front-end for APT (hence its name), but is used as a front-end for RPM in the case of PCLinuxOS.

I certainly do not find Entropy more complicated than APT, in fact I find Entropy easier to use than APT. To prove my point, take a look at the following command set introduction for newcomers to Debian:

:arrow: apt-get / dpkg primer

Now take a look at the Equo command set introduction for newcomers to Sabayon Linux:

:arrow: Entropy primer

Now, as far as graphical front-ends are concerned, let's compare Synaptic -- the GUI most commonly used by newcomers to Linux -- with Sulfur:

:arrow: Synaptic primer

:arrow: Sulfur primer

Sulfur does not look more complicated than Synaptic to me.

The fact that something is different to what you are used to, or have used elsewhere, does not mean it is more complicated, it just means that you have to learn, and become familiar with, a new way of doing things. This does not mean the new way of doing things is inherently more complicated. To say that SL would be easier to use if it adopted RPM or DEB packages is simply incorrect. To say that Entropy (or Portage, for that matter if one also includes the source package manager available as an alternative to the binary package manager Entropy) is "primitive" is, frankly, ridiculous.
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Re: No simple package manager

Postby Sharok » Sat Oct 24, 2009 17:21

I've tried sulfur and it is missing many packages.

I've tried Equo but it has too old packages and anyway, it takes ages to compile.

EDIT: Nevermind, it works now, but it took ages -.-
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Re: No simple package manager

Postby Fitzcarraldo » Sat Oct 24, 2009 20:29

Sulfur is simply the GUI tool for Entropy. Equo is the command line tool for Entropy. The packages in the Entropy database are the same irrespective of whether you use the GUI interface or the command line interface. According to the GIMP Web site the latest version of the GIMP is 2.6.7. According to Entropy:

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$ equo search gimp
>>  @@ Searching...
>>   #1 Sabayon Linux Official Repository
>>      @@ Package: media-gfx/gimp-2.6.7                branch: 5
>>        Available:            version: 2.6.7 ~ tag: NoTag ~ revision: 0
>>        Installed:            version: 2.6.7 ~ tag: NoTag ~ revision: 0
>>        Slot:                 2
>>        Homepage:             http://www.gimp.org/
>>        Description:          GNU Image Manipulation Program
>>        License:              GPL-2
>>      @@ Package: media-plugins/gimp-greycstoration-2.9               branch: 5
>>        Available:            version: 2.9 ~ tag: NoTag ~ revision: 0
>>        Installed:            version: Not installed ~ tag: N/A ~ revision: N/A
>>        Slot:                 0
>>        Homepage:             http://cimg.sourceforge.net/greycstoration/
>>        Description:          GIMP plug-in for denoising through
>>                              image regularization
>>        License:              CeCILL-2
>>      @@ Package: sci-mathematics/gimps-25.9          branch: 5
>>        Available:            version: 25.9 ~ tag: NoTag ~ revision: 0
>>        Installed:            version: Not installed ~ tag: N/A ~ revision: N/A
>>        Slot:                 0
>>        Homepage:             http://mersenne.org/
>>        Description:          GIMPS - The Great Internet Mersenne
>>                              Prime Search
>>        License:              as-is
>>  Keyword:    gimp
>>  Found:      3 entries

As you can see, the Entropy repository contains GIMP version 2.6.7.

To install it, all you do is:

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# equo install gimp


What is so difficult about that? It's no more difficult from having to enter:

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$ sudo apt-get install gimp

in Ubuntu,

or
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# yast -i gimp

in SUSE,

or
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# zypper in gimp

in SUSE,

or
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# yum install gimp

in Fedora,

or
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# urpmi gimp

in Mandriva.

Or use the SL GUI Sulfur front-end to install it instead if you don't like the command line. It's not difficult. Have you followed the on-screen instructions in Sulfur and clicked on Update Repostiories to update the package database list on your PC? You have to do the same sort of thing with Synaptic in order to get Synaptic to know about the latest versions of packages. gimp-2.6.7 is visible in Sulfur. If you want to find it quickly, just type "gimp" (without the quotation marks) into the Search box in Sulfur. Very easy.

And Equo does not compile anything. Entropy is a binary package manager. Just like the package managers in Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, openSUSE etc. it downloads binary, i.e. pre-compiled packages. You need to get your facts straight.
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Re: No simple package manager

Postby Sharok » Sat Oct 24, 2009 20:44

I had to install some apps from source like an older version of wine and it was epic.

As i said, it works now.

Thanks.
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Re: No simple package manager [Solved]

Postby Marius » Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:17

Sharok wrote:Hi guys,

I really like the work you did on sabayon.
It is the best distro that i ever saw BUT there's no simple package manager.
I don't have the time to use the terminal to compile/install an app that i can get instantly on every other distro.
It ruins my experience on sabayon.
Because of that, I'm forced to quit like many others...


I don't know what do you mean by that. Fitzcarraldo very gently and with great attention cleared some misconceptions that may have prevented you from enjoying using Sabayon. I really can imagine people `quitting' Sabayon basically because of one reason only: support of somebody's hardware seriously lacking in some area. That was precisely my case 2 years ago when even the boot sequence had to be tweaked with cheatcodes, and irrespective of the amount of effort and time it proved for me impossible to have my broadcom wireless card supported.

That was 2 years ago, now Sabayon 5.o on the same laptop works like a charm.

Sharok wrote:I had to install some apps from source like an older version of wine and it was epic.
Thanks.


I have no idea why you had to do that at all: wine is available on install and can be updated through equo in a matter of a minute or two.
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