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xchat removed from repos?

Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 21:22
by ReemZ
wtf?

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>>  @@ Installation complete.
>>  @@ On the system there are packages that are not available anymore in the online repositories.
>>  @@ Even if they are usually harmless, it is suggested (after proper verification) to remove them.
>>  @@ These are the packages that would be removed:
>>  ## [sabayonlinux.org] net-irc/xchat-2.8.8-r2 [3.2MB]
>>  @@ To automatically remove them, please run equo with --purge.
>>  @@ Nothing to remove.
>>  @@ No configuration files to update.

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# equo search xchat
>>  @@ Searching...
>>      @@ Package: net-irc/hexchat-2.9.5_p20130525 branch: 5, [sabayonlinux.org] 
>>         Available:     version: 2.9.5_p20130525 ~ tag: NoTag ~ revision: 0
>>         Installed:     version: Not installed ~ tag: N/A ~ revision: N/A
>>         Slot:          0
>>         Homepage:      http://www.hexchat.org/ 
>>         Description:   Graphical IRC client based on XChat 
>>         License:       GPL-2
>>      @@ Package: net-irc/xchat-gnome-0.26.1-r2 branch: 5, [sabayonlinux.org] 
>>         Available:     version: 0.26.1-r2 ~ tag: NoTag ~ revision: 1
>>         Installed:     version: Not installed ~ tag: N/A ~ revision: N/A
>>         Slot:          0
>>         Homepage:      http://xchat-gnome.navi.cx/ 
>>         Description:   GNOME frontend for the popular 
>>                        X-Chat IRC client 
>>         License:       GPL-2
>>  Keywords:  xchat
>>  Found:     2 entries

Re: xchat removed from repos?

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 10:19
by joost
It is discontinued.
You can replace it with hexchat.

You can migrate your settings like this:
https://github.com/Sabayon/skel/commit/ ... 9e4fb8bd7d

So:

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cp ~/.xchat2/xchat.conf ~/.config/hexchat/hexchat.conf

Re: xchat removed from repos?

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 13:04
by life-on-mars
joost wrote:It is discontinued.
You can replace it with hexchat.
Is there a blog or something that documents changes like these? It happens quite often in Sabayon and can cause a great deal of inconvenience if it goes unnoticed.

Re: xchat removed from repos?

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 13:23
by joost
It happens quite often
Examples?

Understand that we are a rolling release. Things fork/move/remove around all the time.

:)

Re: xchat removed from repos?

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 13:38
by ReemZ
joost wrote:Understand that we are a rolling release. Things fork/move/remove around all the time.
Understood. But, please answer the man's question mate:
life-on-mars wrote:Is there a blog or something that documents changes like these?
Perhaps a line in the repo notice could help solve this kind of problem before it arises ;)

Re: xchat removed from repos?

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 13:49
by joost
Some background information can be found here:
http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/g ... w_threaded

Re: xchat removed from repos?

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 15:49
by lxnay
Programs die, change name or get forked. That's life.
We track upstream Gentoo and it happened the same with xchat.
Given that we handle 13000 packages per architecture, I'm not sure if we should (and have the man power) consider certain packages more "special" than what they are.
This is Free Software and is provided without warranty.

Re: xchat removed from repos?

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 16:13
by life-on-mars
joost wrote:Examples?

lxnay wrote: Given that we handle 13000 packages per architecture, I'm not sure if we should (and have the man power) consider certain packages more "special" than what they are.
XChat was a default package in at least one Sabayon iso. Unless default packages are just a random selection of apps, I would say that makes them more "special" than other packages. And changing packages like consolkit can possibly break things. And regarding the manpower, have you considered asking the community on the forums? I am sure there are a lot of us who would like to help. (Though it might be helpful not to ask volunteers for their full resumé and telephone number like you do it in the wiki.)

Actually, making the upgrade process more transparent would most likely make things much easier for all. Try counting the number of bug reports and support threads that were caused by feature and package changes. I doubt the amount of work they cause is less significant than adding 1-2 lines on a notice board.
lxnay wrote:This is Free Software and is provided without warranty.
I would expect such a statement from companies like Google, but not from someone involved in a GNU/Linux distro. We all know that it doesn't come with a "warranty" and no one is going to sue you, but as a community we can improve things if there is a demand for it.

Re: xchat removed from repos?

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 18:26
by ReemZ
joost wrote:Some background information can be found here:
http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/g ... w_threaded
Good bit of info, thanks!
However, in his post, god at politeia states hexchat development to have stalled:
The same way XChat's development died some time ago (with the exception of some critical patches here and there), HexChat's development has met a wall. The only active developer has quit the project. I hope this does not mean the end of the project as there are a couple of contributors who seem interested in further developing HexChat (they have write access to hexchat's github repo so further versions will depend on them).
This was eight months ago.
What's hexchat's current status? Can we expect it to be removed from the tree as well?

Re: xchat removed from repos?

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 18:37
by ReemZ
Sidenote, Entropy still thinks hexchat's website to be http://www.hexchat.org. However, this 404's.
Wikipedia has a link at the bottom that works: http://hexchat.github.io/