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Well done, but..

Post by msdobrescu » Sun Mar 15, 2020 15:56

Hello,

I know some of devs had a bad week and the migration was difficult, now I've got a flawless upgrade, I love the new Grub image, BTW, but I see my distro stripped of three apps I rely on. In the order of removal:
- Opcion - I think can run it as it is java-based
- Celestia - this is unique, how could I replace it?
- FSLint - also unique and really useful to me!

I know some were removed from Gentoo, but...
...Is there anything to be done to get them back? Please?

I hope everybody is well with this virus outbreak! I was so exhausted of all this situation as I even forgot to say "Thank you!" for this great distro I enjoy so much every day!

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Re: Well done, but..

Post by joost » Sun Mar 15, 2020 18:33

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Re: Well done, but..

Post by msdobrescu » Sun Mar 15, 2020 19:17

Yes, but since there is no alternative in the repos?

There is something I would like to understand, related to these packages drops.
What is more important, some app that doesn't go py3, but really well done (considering the methodology and features),
or some app that uses the latest frameworks, but hard to use (again, considering the methodology and features)?
That assuming the proposed alternative is added to the repos...
To me, a distro is a tool to achieve some goals for its users, but right now I wonder what are the goals?
Having the latest software at all costs? It's outstanding, but defeats the purpose.
IMO, should serve people that uses it.
I also think that Sabayon is an excellent distro, also Gentoo, technically speaking, but I've thought cutting edge refers to some risks in having bugs, not missing tools.

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Re: Well done, but..

Post by joost » Sun Mar 15, 2020 19:44

You shouldn't ask those questions to me. If we could we would support any program as long as possible (obviously). But as you can see in the Gentoo bug, upstream abandoned the project. We can't go write patches for all these programs that is not our duty.

As for the alternative, it is not in Portage yet (I looked when I dropped fslint) otherwise I would have added that.

Fact is that Python 2 is EOL. It has to be phased out. The process of doing this has started.
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Re: Well done, but..

Post by msdobrescu » Sun Mar 15, 2020 20:33

No. Those are kind of rhetorical questions.
You are, as always, one of the few doing an amazing job.
But should keep the apps as long as they are in Gentoo, not earlier.

And Celestia? That definitely has no alternative. What is wrong with it? What could be done?
It is not as Amarok, that needed some QT upgrade, but Celestia is more independent and could be built, there is a 9999 at least available.

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Re: Well done, but..

Post by joost » Sun Mar 15, 2020 20:39

"But should keep the apps as long as they are in Gentoo, not earlier."
It is masked in Gentoo. I had to recompile it because of the HUGE migration we did, but I can't. Even if I would unmask it the whole deptree is already gone, or parts of it. It is not that simple. I just judge from a technical point of view if I invest my time on keeping things in Entropy and in this case I could not.

* sci-astronomy/celestia
Available versions: **9999*l {glut nls +qt5 theora}
Homepage: https://celestia.space
Description: OpenGL 3D space simulator

Only follows the working tree, no actual release is available. Therefor is masked by default.
I don't know why it is like that.
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Re: Well done, but..

Post by msdobrescu » Sun Mar 15, 2020 20:43

And a very interesting question (to me):
Is it possible to have some app in Sabayon automatic build system (I presume there is, I don't find the documentation for that now) that is not in Gentoo? That would be maintained by Sabayon distro only?

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Re: Well done, but..

Post by joost » Sun Mar 15, 2020 20:46

"automatic build system"
You are talking to it now.

We can always add software that is NOT in Portage. Community repos are actually for that. In some special occasions we add things that we need for the project and could be up-streamed to Gentoo Portage. That stuff is in the "for-gentoo" overlay.
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Re: Well done, but..

Post by msdobrescu » Sun Mar 15, 2020 20:47

joost wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 20:39
I had to recompile it because of the HUGE migration we did
I know, it is impressive how fast you move further!
Can't tell how happy I am with the system lately.

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Re: Well done, but..

Post by msdobrescu » Sun Mar 15, 2020 20:50

Sorry, we seem to post kind of simultaneously...

So, if in Gentoo is masked, can't that be bypassed in some cases? Or moved to Sabayon and handled there?
I think of Celestia...

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