help please. My idea to increase Sabayon users

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help please. My idea to increase Sabayon users

Post by wilsaba » Fri Apr 16, 2010 23:38

I'm placing this thread in the hope it may be useful to the FLOSS, in case it gets due attention and interest.

In a recent Ubuntu review, made in the Washington Post, the author concluded in this way:

"And that's an important thing to remember when talking about glitches in Linux: Yes, they exist, but they can crop up in Windows, too. In Linux, they don't cost you anything -- at least in terms of money. Time is another thing ... especially if you're not accustomed to the vocabulary and grammar of Linux."

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/faster ... eview.html


In good truth, Linux information for newcomers is too disperse, diffuse and deprecated. I remember that when I arrived to Linux, one year ago, I posted at LinuxQuestions, to present myself there. Following my post, another new comer, as lost as I was, asked where he could start reading, to get involved with Linux. Nobody was able to give an acceptable answer.

I think that the Linux desktop distro world, would have all to gain by creating a task force, dedicated to a specifically massive action, targeting windows new comers, by creating a very clear, succinct, well done, and attractive kind of Wiki, to facilitate the adaptation of those users to our way of speak and do things.

This project must be top quality, above all. It may require a multidisciplinary venture, involving some marketing, sociology, advertising, art work and of course, technical skills.

After the Wiky and all related work is completed, it should be centralized somewhere and kept updated. It will allow to be linked to every FLOSS and Distro sites who would want to adhere, placing it at a very visible place, and in a very attractive way.

This could be done with some kind of a standard banner, the like of:

"We welcome all Windows users. Please follow this link to learn all the advantages to adopt Linux, how Linux works, our terminology and other useful information for newcomers"

In case of Distro sites, some parts of the standard text, should be allowed to be changed, to meet the specifics of each distro.

I have all the pleasure to leave this project to the consideration of this forum community.

Note that I'm not looking for credit for myself, in any way, and I cannot even cooperate in the execution of this idea due to my lack of Linux skills. I just feel that the community hasn't been growing as fast as it deserves and we need to get together and become more aggressive on finding new ways to achieve that purpose. This is especially relevant after recent news in the net pointing out that our greatest developers are getting now quite old, and new blood is needed.

Everyone may be able to cooperate, even that just by spreading the word.

Thank you all

donnie

Re: help please. My idea to increase Sabayon users

Post by donnie » Sat Apr 17, 2010 1:17

hai

I'm reading Gentoo Handbook now, and now see your post :shock: As a Windows ex-user I must say it's somewhat comprehensive and deprecated in places. For example, stage3 is installed on ext3 partition, and Handbook says nothing about new ext4, while I'd prefer using ext4 partitions with noatime,nobarrier.

I don't think Linux is for everyone. For example, I'd like use some features of a new gcc 4.5, this desire is already looking somewhat weird for Linux users, but for Windows users its absolutely fail, maybe only developers will agree, so... So I don't think there are many people out there ready to put so much effort in documentation of bugs that developers produce each and every day.

A ready example - a noob (me) wanted change its cursor theme, system-wide and forever. Read a few first comments, and last 2 comments under that good HOWTO:
http://www.xaprb.com/blog/2006/04/24/be ... 1-cursors/

To be true, IDK of cursors :roll:

Someone could market this issues as cool and fun, but for most people its not fun anymore.

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Re: help please. My idea to increase Sabayon users

Post by wilsaba » Sat Apr 17, 2010 3:09

"A ready example - a noob (me) wanted change its cursor theme, system-wide and forever. Read a few first comments, and last 2 comments under that good HOWTO:"

Yes, unbelievable !!!

Now, regarding the utility of the intention behind the idea I placed, I know it could lead to a never ending discussion, so I may not massacre you people with my rants, only this, for a termination. Most computer users, but not all, are the so cold average joe/jane. Those, use to be older people, may find and use Linux, and may stay, or leave earlier or later. Usually are people who will not bother to learn, unless the most basics of their PC. They may never become a value added to the community. Others may find Linux interesting enough to invest it's time on it. Some of those, may learn, and become another geeks. This means, more people coming, higher is the chance to gain useful people to the community. Now, lets look at the reality of modern life. At some cities in Europe, there is people who take 2 hours to arrive to their job, and the same time, in the way back. They have dinner with their family. Then they seat on his/her pc to look about Linux, because one friend said it was a fantastic thing. He starts googling and what does he see? grub (what a hell is this) distro (...?) live cd ( ... ?) i386, i586, amd64 ( .....?), kernel ( ...?) gnu (...?), gnome (...?), kde (...? ) xfce (...?), partition my disk (...?) gparted (...?) ext3,4 (...?), windows manager (....?), DE (...?) brasero (...?) 3b (...?) gftp (...?), terminal (..?), ... CLI (...?) you name it. But only those common to all distros. At 4 am, the poor man is tired, frustrated, lost, didn't have a word all night with their family and will be blaming the stupid friend who told him about the great Linux.. For him, f**o** Linux. for ever. This is not for me... geek stuff. And yes, the community may have lost here a future nice geek. Because at every site he went, he did not find a nice (standard) wiky, who would have though him all those grammar (common to all distros) in a mere 1/2 hour. And off course, this thing should always be updated.

This is my point.


donnie

Re: help please. My idea to increase Sabayon users

Post by donnie » Sat Apr 17, 2010 12:20

I understand. Reading this all, all words from beginning to the end, may last half of a day :roll:

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Re: help please. My idea to increase Sabayon users

Post by wilsaba » Sat Apr 17, 2010 14:30

donnie wrote:Use Wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_GRUB
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_distribution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_CD
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_80386
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_P5
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xfce
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk_partitioning
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GParted
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext4
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Window_manager
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brasero_(software)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K3b
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GFTP

Somewhat harder to find (2 more clicks):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_emulator
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Command-line_interpreter

DE i just know what it stands for, acronim is harder to find, FAIL:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desktop_environment

Thanks a lot my friend. You got my point 100%. You just helped me demonstrate all the annoyances, I want people to avoid to have.

I need to clarify my post. The wiki I'm talking about is ONLY for vocabulary and maybe a few more items, common to ALL Linux Distros. Will make compares to identical items at W$, if needed, will persuade people about the Linux advantages, will be located in any central point, for easy maintenance, and every FLOSS site who would wish, could link to it. This would mean that newcomers would have a standard starting point, with standard language, making life easier for them and for many of us in the forums.

All to avoid the drama of this man

At 4 am, the poor man is tired, frustrated, lost, didn't have a word all night with their family and will be blaming the stupid friend who told him about the great Linux.. For him, f**o** Linux. for ever. This is not for me... geek stuff. And yes, the community may have lost here a future great geek. Because at every site he went, he did not find a nice (standard) wiky, who would have though him all those grammar (common to all distros) in a mere 1/2 hour.

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Re: help please. My idea to increase Sabayon users

Post by wilsaba » Sat Apr 17, 2010 14:36

donnie wrote:I understand. Reading this all, all words from beginning to the end, may last half of a day :roll:
:) :) :) :) :)
I appreciated your comment, and I'm very happy that you did picked up the meaning of my post.

donnie

Re: help please. My idea to increase Sabayon users

Post by donnie » Sat Apr 17, 2010 16:08

Minimal text, a few links, with very good search, maybe in that form: little articles not more than 2000 symbols with up to 20 comments (newbies tend to wanting have a feedback, a feedback can be a replies from the same newbies), all staff simply on 1-2 pages. Maintained by dedicated people from noob-rich distros (Ubuntu, Sabayon? maybe any 5 of top 30 distros on distrowatch.com will be enough to start). And, people must be interested to leave comments there, so this could be something like Wikipedia+Slashdot? Maybe a news site?

17 of october, 2010.

Title: Intel 80386
Intel 80386 is a new 32-bit processor made by Intel. Also known as: i386, 386.

>>>Some technical staff

25 years ago i386 shocked imagination of users so hard, that many Linux distributions tend to compile their libraries using i386 instruction set, to present days.

tags: hai, Intel, 80386, x86, 386, i386, processor, CPU, core, SX, DX, IBM, PC

comments:

OMG I still use it!
What a shame, 386 is long time dead, please correct your ridiculous article according to Wikipedia :(
No 386 - no [email protected] Now we should collect money to buy Linus his new 386!!

These news will never became old. So, no maintenance needed.

Maybe analogs to this exist, but not in google top, and this will be just a bicycle?

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Re: help please. My idea to increase Sabayon users

Post by svantoviit » Sat Apr 17, 2010 20:55

Introduction to Linux - A Hands on Guide

P.S.: meant it rather as a suggestion to contribute to an already existing project :wink:
The Linux Documentation Project :thumleft:
Last edited by svantoviit on Sun Apr 18, 2010 11:26, edited 1 time in total.


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