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A VERY flexible Sabayon Business Edition. The Worker Edition

Postby moab » Mon Aug 06, 2007 4:26

This is what I want in Sabayon Business Edition. This list of request should make Sabayon a true business alternative to windows vista business edition. If everything in my list is put in, it will make Sabayon truelly one of the more flexible Business Edition Linux distros out there. One for all walks of life, and of all sizes of tasks. The big and the small. Please give heavy consideration to request #2 the most! thanks again for creating such an intuitive OS.

1) I want to be able to make mods for my games, so I want a 3d modeling program like Blender to be pre-installed.

2) When I'm at my job, I use AutoCAD. I know AutoCAD doesn't run on Linux at all. So is there anything you can hook me up with that is a Free alternative. Open Source or not, I need an alternative. It should be able to do 2D and 3D work. just so you know, AutoCAD is a program meant for design, drafting, and a wide range of engineering projects. like architecture, landscape, and so on. It has A LOT of uses in the world of building and designing. Please find an alternative so I can make Sabayon my only ONE STOP WORK SHOP.

3) I like Open Office, it is an impressive suite. Personally though, I find KOffice a little more usable. Can you make an option so that if we want to install the whole KOffice package, we can. The programs I am eying mostly are...

KWord
KChart
Kivo
KSpread
KMyMoney
KOrganizer

This is just so that I won't have to waist time downloading them when I first start using my computer. Right out of the box use just sounds so much better. (not that I don't get that, I just want a little something different is all.)

4) Thunderbird would be nice to have for my E-mail. Its not NEEDED but its an awesome plus to have.

5) Sunbird was also a good application I used often. Not sure of what alternatives there are but I liked the calender a lot.

6) WINE support. I am unaware if wine will be installed in Sabayon BE but I hope it is. I see no reason of it not being there. Wine doors as well would be nice. This is just so that, If I NEED to install some propriatary software, I can. Though, I highly doubt I will. Its just one of those, "In case of emergencies, break glass" kind of deals.

7) Media Editors are needed. I would like to have something to mess with my pictures, movies, and audio in case I'm picked to design an advertisement. Be it a poster, or a locally run commercial.

8) Compatibility is KEY. Sabayon is one of those distros that has EVERYTHING working right out of the box, the more you expand the better I see it working on more computers.

9) Some of my palls do a LOT of programing. mostly making small miner programs to aid our company in some of our miner tasks. like an IM program that is only used for the company and can not connect to other applications. Everything is encrypted and is recorded by a "spyware" its to just monitor the employees messaging to make sure if we need to talk to someone we can do it quickly and securely. We need something to make tools like that. Something similar to Microsoft's C# program viso I think it was called.

10) I really am not sure If I want compiz fusion on SBE. it seems to be too, beta to mess with. if it is than so be it. its just one of those things I wouldn't't want to put resources in while I work. of course that's just me being a bit picky.

I am excited to see what the new Sabayon Business Edition will look like. Best of luck, and congrats on your top 5 placement on DistroWatch. You deserve every vote.
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Postby WarraWarra » Mon Aug 06, 2007 4:52

Have you tried 1.0 BE yet ? i686 .
http://www.sabayonlinux.org/forum/viewt ... 9841#49841
http://www.sabayonlinux.org/sabayon/pkg ... ckages.txt
Povray is in there.

http://www.tech-edv.co.at/lunix/CADlinks.html

Wine doors = I just installed winamp windows version on Sabayon + directx 9c not sure how windows cad would run in it but using cedega you can play several windows games on linux so cad might work in there not sure.
If you can get hold of archicad now that is cad worth it's weight in gold. (artlantis)

http://www.graphisoft.com/products/arch ... oogle_GSUS
https://eduregistration.graphisoft.com/artlantis.aspx free for students.

Artlantis renderings:
http://www.archia.lv/?page=18&lang=lv
http://www.giuseppelabua.it/2006/artlantis-r/
I was going to get this before I retired to do my architecture stuff.

Hope this helps.
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Postby wolfden » Mon Aug 06, 2007 5:08

moved to suggestions
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Postby moab » Mon Aug 06, 2007 5:16

QCAD seems to be the only logical GPL choice when it comes to a powerful intuitive CAD.

Cedage or wine can neither run or even attempt to run AutoCAD. Is archiCAD Linux compatible? i noticed it needs to be bought, i was thinking QCAD would be a good option for ALL your designing needs on a professionals level unless you really feel that you need to buy something else.

I never messed with that POV-Ray program my self. so its more powerful than blender? it sounds interesting.

I will admit, i wanted to wait till 3.4 till i try out the business edition of Sabayon. like i wasn't 100% sure if it was "work horse, ready" yet. I'm a stickler when it comes to my work. Only the most stable of linux can be found on my work laptops. Sadly i haven't found a Linux stable and work ready yet to call a home on my laptop though. I have a feeling Sabayon will change ALL of that. Just as long as i can get a Free to use and abuse CAD on my computer.
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Postby phzi » Mon Aug 06, 2007 5:23

This seems very little like a list of general suggestions to improve the distro, so much as what someone personally wants. Everyone wants something different, and it doesn't take long to emerge extra apps you might like (such as thunderbird, or koffice)....

Since your making the comparison to Windows (vista or otherwise), since when did it come with any tools such as blender pre-installed? Or and office suite at all?

Your #2 has nothing what-so-ever to do with Sabayon, and is just silly. To humor you, here's a list of CAD software for linux (which I found in 2 minutes of google searching - google.com ... you should try it!):
http://www.tech.oru.se/cad/varkon/
http://www.varicad.com/
http://www.cycas.de/
http://thancad.sourceforge.net/
http://www.soffernet.com/jaime/fandango/
http://lignumcad.sourceforge.net/doc/en/HTML/index.html
http://freeengineer.org/
http://www.qcad.org/qcad.html
http://www.nocrew.org/software/ocadis/
http://www.pythoncad.org/
http://www.opencascade.org/

I personally find your suggestions 90% ridiculous. It seems like you put absolutely no real thought into your comments, and did no background research what-so-ever.
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Re: A VERY flexible Sabayon Business Edition. The Worker Edi

Postby DontPanic » Mon Aug 06, 2007 5:47

moab wrote:2) When I'm at my job, I use AutoCAD. I know AutoCAD doesn't run on Linux at all. So is there anything you can hook me up with that is a Free alternative. Open Source or not, I need an alternative. It should be able to do 2D and 3D work. just so you know, AutoCAD is a program meant for design, drafting, and a wide range of engineering projects. like architecture, landscape, and so on. It has A LOT of uses in the world of building and designing. Please find an alternative so I can make Sabayon my only ONE STOP WORK SHOP.


I've been a Linux advocate at my work place for years now. I also have worked a great deal with CAD drafting at my site. I've looked around at the alternatives. QCad is probably the closest among the GNU alternatives, but it has no 3-D capabilities.

Based on everything I've looked at, if you really need an AutoCAD-class product (especially in the area of 3-D engineering drawings), you've got two choices: Bently Microstation and AutoCAD. And both need Windows right now. Having said, that, many people buy AutoCAD without really needing that much power.

We actually used Microstation ourselves, but considered AutoCAD as a close alternative. I like to match Linux up against it's strengths when advocating for it in the workplace, and for engineering drafting, I couldn't find anything that compares to AutoCAD for Linux until you get into the really high-end stuff.

We'd easily spend several $100,000/yr on engineering drafting, with some of that was spent internally, but more spent externally with our engineering partners. So for us, it was really important to have a product that interoperated efficiently with many potential entities. It doesn't take long in CAD drafting to run up costs that make the choice of the underlying OS irrelevant.
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Postby moab » Mon Aug 06, 2007 16:04

phzi wrote:I personally find your suggestions 90% ridiculous. It seems like you put absolutely no real thought into your comments, and did no background research what-so-ever.


im sure you get that a lot your self pall ;-) honestly, i knew what i wanted and i knew what worked. I know for a fact Sabayon strives for an out of the box experience. this is why this is merely a suggestion. had you realized that, than you would never had said that. its ok, you are forgiven.

DontPanic wrote:I've been a Linux advocate at my work place for years now. I also have worked a great deal with CAD drafting at my site. I've looked around at the alternatives. QCad is probably the closest among the GNU alternatives, but it has no 3-D capabilities.

Based on everything I've looked at, if you really need an AutoCAD-class product (especially in the area of 3-D engineering drawings), you've got two choices: Bently Microstation and AutoCAD. And both need Windows right now. Having said, that, many people buy AutoCAD without really needing that much power.

We actually used Microstation ourselves, but considered AutoCAD as a close alternative. I like to match Linux up against it's strengths when advocating for it in the workplace, and for engineering drafting, I couldn't find anything that compares to AutoCAD for Linux until you get into the really high-end stuff.

We'd easily spend several $100,000/yr on engineering drafting, with some of that was spent internally, but more spent externally with our engineering partners. So for us, it was really important to have a product that interoperated efficiently with many potential entities. It doesn't take long in CAD drafting to run up costs that make the choice of the underlying OS irrelevant.


The QCAD seems like the best GPL option, you are right. I guess your also right when you say AutoCAD is overkill to an extent. Personally i just do house design and im working for a small company at the moment. Something like this would definitely help a lot being that it is a free alternative and seems to be a good staple to any designers tool box. Thanks for the help pall.
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Postby phzi » Mon Aug 06, 2007 20:19

moab wrote:im sure you get that a lot your self pall ;-) honestly, i knew what i wanted and i knew what worked. I know for a fact Sabayon strives for an out of the box experience. this is why this is merely a suggestion. had you realized that, than you would never had said that. its ok, you are forgiven.


Actually, until you, I don't think I've ever gotten that before. I realized they were suggestions - suggestions for what you wanted in an OS, not what anybody else would want...

You should think about rolling your own off-distro, with the revelent packs available. That way you won't have to spend 10mins after every OS install, to install a few extra apps you want.

Personally, I re-compile a huge portion of the OS right after an install (to optimize for my processor), which drops many minutes off my everyday work which is spent on loading time. I'd love to see an automatic stage 3 install option in anaconda, but I also know that that's a silly thing to ask for.
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Postby moab » Tue Aug 07, 2007 22:53

phzi wrote:
Actually, until you, I don't think I've ever gotten that before. I realized they were suggestions - suggestions for what you wanted in an OS, not what anybody else would want...

You should think about rolling your own off-distro, with the revelent packs available. That way you won't have to spend 10mins after every OS install, to install a few extra apps you want.

Personally, I re-compile a huge portion of the OS right after an install (to optimize for my processor), which drops many minutes off my everyday work which is spent on loading time. I'd love to see an automatic stage 3 install option in anaconda, but I also know that that's a silly thing to ask for.


ok, so you can answer for other people than? so you say that NO ONE would want any of the applications installed. Honestly pall if your such a guru at Linux (not ever one is!) get off your high horse and make your own off-distro. Im proud of the fact that you know how to re-compile a huge portion of an OS. Kudos for you little buddy. Now before you start a flame war, please realize that these were only suggestions (Its apparent you haven't pall, because a suggestion is just that... someone else's OPINION on how to improve something!) If you can grasp that, please do. If you don't agree with them, dont cry about them and act ignorant like you have been doing. simple offer your own opinion without being an ass. No one else here acted like the way you did, and have offered there thoughts as well and i respected them. read there posts and maybe you will learn how to act around other people pall. one more thing, if your about to complain about the way im treating you, than realize that you kinda started it pall. you lash others, you leave yourself open for a few lashes.
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Postby Darksurf » Wed Aug 08, 2007 0:10

phzi, sorry to say, but moab is correct. Suggestions ARE opinions, some may agree, others may not. Suggestions aren't always right, but not always wrong. They are for IDEAL improvement. As you know everyone has their own IDEALs of what is perfect and what is not. If I were wrong about this, then there would be no arguement between anybody about anything, because it would be all black and white. But as U should already know, the world has gray and many many lovely shades of gray giving everyone their own opinions. Now that this argument is over, please begin to understand the forums are not for looking down at one another, but to help and make suggestions. Please do NOT tell anyone that their opinion is stupid, just humbly say that U do not agree, because..... and make sure that those reasons U list are valid points, not just your own selfish thoughts. Think of the community. Linux would have never gotten as far as it has if it hadn't been freely open to suggestions and improvements.
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