E17 vs KDE [Solved]

[ReemZ]

edited title to [Solved] as per viewtopic.php?f=57&t=1730

you know better than that and watch the language on the forum

Sorry mate...shouldn't post after a day of frustration...my bad!

[wolfden]

[Fitzcarraldo]

And...I think I saw something on that site about...no 3D acceleration? No cube and such??

Oh yes there is.

Anyway, it may be a lot of fun for you guys to mess around with it, with all your expertise and an average of 15 computers per person, but I have only *one* pc which really needs to work, and not enough skills or knowledge to repair things, not even in SL yet, let alone a completely unknown distro! Plus, it's Debian based, which tells me I'm gonna be at it for weeks trying to get a picture and some sound, which I'm not skilled enough to do yet.

Firstly, I didn't suggest you install Elive, I suggested you try the LiveCD purely to see how the desktop environment E17 works. Two completely different things. Secondly, whilst the distro Elive is based on Debian, the window manager E17 certainly isn't "Debian based", it works on many different Linux distributions (just like e.g. KDE or GNOME do).

Nah, sorry for the trouble lads, I'm sticking to KDE. 3.5, that is.

As you wish. Nothing wrong with KDE 3.5, it's my preferred desktop environment.

I'll just have to wait with f*****g around until I've got a 2nd pc to play with...

That's the beauty of LiveDVDs and LiveCDs: you can play around all you want with as many distros as you want on one PC without any risk of affecting what's installed on your PC. In fact I sometimes carry a LiveCD with me to show Windows users on their PCs what Linux looks like, or to use Linux myself if I'm somewhere where I don't have access to my own laptop. Before I installed Sabayon Linux 3.26 I used the LiveDVD for a week or so first on my Windows XP laptop to try it out before I actually decided to install it; it had absolutely no effect on my Windows installation. That's the whole purpose of a LiveCD/DVD. Some distros are designed only to be run from a LiveCD (e.g Knoppix).

[ReemZ]

And...I think I saw something on that site about...no 3D acceleration? No cube and such??

Oh yes there is.

Then I must've completely misunderstood what I think I saw on that site...seems to happen to me a lot, lately

Anyway, it may be a lot of fun for you guys to mess around with it, with all your expertise and an average of 15 computers per person, but I have only *one* pc which really needs to work, and not enough skills or knowledge to repair things, not even in SL yet, let alone a completely unknown distro! Plus, it's Debian based, which tells me I'm gonna be at it for weeks trying to get a picture and some sound, which I'm not skilled enough to do yet.

Firstly, I didn't suggest you install Elive, I suggested you try the LiveCD purely to see how the desktop environment E17 works. Two completely different things. Secondly, whilst the distro Elive is based on Debian, the window manager E17 certainly isn't "Debian based", it works on many different Linux distributions (just like e.g. KDE or GNOME do).

Hmmyeah...still having trouble seeing all those things as separate parts...still...not being able to get Debian running leads me to believe I won't be able to get its spin-offs running either, meaning I wouldn't even get so far as to take a look at any wm/de/gui...

As you wish. Nothing wrong with KDE 3.5, it's my preferred desktop environment.

No, absolutely nothing wrong with KDE3.5, in fact, it's the only environment I've seen so far that I actually liked.
Problem is I can't get it to work exactly the way I want it to
...and it seems it's not going to be supported for much longer...hell, I don't even know what that really means!

Ah well...I've done a fresh install without any updates, which means I'm back on the .27 kernel, but at least Amarok's working like a charm again! As is Kaffeine, which I had somehow managed to break too (no sound no matter what I tried). Installed xchat, kopete works, including cam, Kontact is set, great. Only thing I couldn't get to work is KTorrent 3.1.5 (the only one in entropy) but right now I don't even have the energy to care...I ain't touching equo for a while.

I'll just have to wait with f*****g around until I've got a 2nd pc to play with...

That's the beauty of LiveDVDs and LiveCDs: you can play around all you want with as many distros as you want on one PC without any risk of affecting what's installed on your PC. In fact I sometimes carry a LiveCD with me to show Windows users on their PCs what Linux looks like, or to use Linux myself if I'm somewhere where I don't have access to my own laptop. Before I installed Sabayon Linux 3.26 I used the LiveDVD for a week or so first on my Windows XP laptop to try it out before I actually decided to install it; it had absolutely no effect on my Windows installation. That's the whole purpose of a LiveCD/DVD. Some distros are designed only to be run from a LiveCD (e.g Knoppix).

For me, the purpose of that dvd is a reinstall, after breaking too much.
Dunno...seems with every equo update I break stuff without even knowing it...and without even so much as breathing in portage's direction...and seeing that the latest version of SL has KDE4 doesn't make me any less happy about holding on to this dvd...another problem is I can't tell from the equo search output whether packages are KDE 3 or 4...

Damn I hate my slow brain, só easily confused...

[Fitzcarraldo]

...and it seems it's not going to be supported for much longer...hell, I don't even know what that really means!

It means that you and I -- and a lot of other people who prefer 3.5.10 -- are either going to have to force ourselves to use KDE 4.* or look for something else. Perhaps by the time KDE 4.* reaches 4.5.10 I'll feel like using it.

Ah well...I've done a fresh install without any updates, which means I'm back on the .27 kernel, but at least Amarok's working like a charm again! As is Kaffeine, which I had somehow managed to break too (no sound no matter what I tried). Installed xchat, kopete works, including cam, Kontact is set, great. Only thing I couldn't get to work is KTorrent 3.1.5 (the only one in entropy) but right now I don't even have the energy to care...I ain't touching equo for a while.

For me, the purpose of that dvd is a reinstall, after breaking too much.
Dunno...seems with every equo update I break stuff without even knowing it...and without even so much as breathing in portage's direction...and seeing that the latest version of SL has KDE4 doesn't make me any less happy about holding on to this dvd...another problem is I can't tell from the equo search output whether packages are KDE 3 or 4...

Welcome to Linux! Last week I spent two evenings battling to get Bluetooth working again -- which I needed at work -- after an apparently unrelated update to another package broke it. This is one of the main problems with Linux (worse on some distros than others): quality control and dependencies. That's the price of free (as in beer and as in speech) software developed using the open source paradigm, especially as we're using a distro that only has a testing (a.k.a. unstable) branch. That's what the tilde in "~x86" and "~amd64" means (If you were using the stable branch then the packages would all be "x86" or "amd64"). Mind you, if you don't mess with your installation, it can be very stable.

Damn I hate my slow brain, so easily confused...

I'm not surprised with all those spliffs you've been firing up over the last few days

[ReemZ]

...and it seems it's not going to be supported for much longer...hell, I don't even know what that really means!

It means that you and I -- and a lot of other people who prefer 3.5.10 -- are either going to have to force ourselves to use KDE 4.* or look for something else. Perhaps by the time KDE 4.* reaches 4.5.10 I'll feel like using it.

Welcome to Linux! Last week I spent two evenings battling to get Bluetooth working again -- which I needed at work -- after an apparently unrelated update to another package broke it. This is one of the main problems with Linux (worse on some distros than others): quality control and dependencies. That's the price of free (as in beer and as in speech) software developed using the open source paradigm, especially as we're using a distro that only has a testing (a.k.a. unstable) branch. That's what the tilde in "~x86" and "~amd64" means (If you were using the stable branch then the packages would all be "x86" or "amd64"). Mind you, if you don't mess with your installation, it can be very stable.

Wait...unstable? There isn't a stable version?
And I must say I've never noticed the tilde =)

Damn I hate my slow brain, so easily confused...

I'm not surprised with all those spliffs you've been firing up over the last few days

Arsehole Nah I've always had that slow brain, I was born with it
Blazing does make that brain even slower, but at least it takes away the urge to physically abuse my box

[ReemZ]

Oh and uhm...

paradigm

say what?






btw...clean install, no updates whatsoever. Score: 7 or 8 out-of-nothing* crashes/freezes/forced reboots

*Meaning I didn't do *anything*, the damn system just froze, couldn't even get into a tty...
I dunno...seems I'm able to break stuff by just bloody looking at it...

[Fitzcarraldo]

Wait...unstable? There isn't a stable version?

Nope. SL only has an unstable/testing version. There used to be a stable branch of SL called "Professional Edition" (before that, "Business Edition"), but it has long since been discontinued. Heard of the term "bleeding edge" in Linux? It refers to the testing/unstable versions of distros, which have all the latest versions of packages, some of which may still not be thoroughly tested and proven to be rock-solid. However, "unstable" and "testing" sound worse then they are in practice: the vast majority of this stuff works very well indeed.

Damn I hate my slow brain, so easily confused...

I'm not surprised with all those spliffs you've been firing up over the last few days

Arsehole Nah I've always had that slow brain, I was born with it
Blazing does make that brain even slower, but at least it takes away the urge to physically abuse my box

Hehe. Couldn't resist it: you set yourself up perfectly.

[ReemZ]

Nope. SL only has an unstable/testing version. There used to be a stable branch of SL called "Professional Edition" (before that, "Business Edition"), but it has long since been discontinued.

Damn shame, I could've used that!

Heard of the term "bleeding edge" in Linux? It refers to the testing/unstable versions of distros, which have all the latest versions of packages, some of which may still not be thoroughly tested and proven to be rock-solid. However, "unstable" and "testing" sound worse then they are in practice: the vast majority of this stuff works very well indeed.

Heard of it, yeah, and cutting edge and some other edges too, but never understood those terms =)

Hehe. Couldn't resist it: you set yourself up perfectly.

Yeah I guess I did

[daktras]

hey i dont know maybe to be havin a enlightenment version other then elive would be great if i can get this stable maybe it will be somthing to research into making