How does Sabayon 4.1 compare to Ubuntu 9.04 (jaunty)

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How does Sabayon 4.1 compare to Ubuntu 9.04 (jaunty)

Postby weeman7007 » Sun May 31, 2009 16:03

Hi, I am interested in switching to Sabayon 4.1 (GNOME edition), and wondered how it compared to Ubuntu jaunty for various things, such as boot speed, general working speed, how it works and any other information you would deem useful :) if it is faster than Jaunty, and also more/just as reliable (despite being more up-to date than Ubuntu) then I would most definately be installing it over jaunty.

My hardware specs:
30gb ssd
320gb hdd
2.0ghz core2duo processor
2gb ram
intel gma 950 graphics card
intel hda audio
atheros wireless card
current boot time from OS selection to desktop being loaded: 24 seconds
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Re: How does Sabayon 4.1 compare to Ubuntu 9.04 (jaunty)

Postby joeoden » Sun May 31, 2009 16:55

I prefer Sabayon (Gentoo) because it is the only OS that works out of the box for me

Best advice I can give is, you have plenty of hard drive space so why not create a new partition (30 gig is plenty) and install Sabayon on the new partition, then you can decide which is better for you.

Backup all your partitions first

Be prepared to do a lot of reading (Wiki needs updating) on the forums
You will have a lot of fun learning Sabayon
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Re: How does Sabayon 4.1 compare to Ubuntu 9.04 (jaunty)

Postby weeman7007 » Sun May 31, 2009 18:47

thanks joe, I think I may just try that :) I can share a /home partition between Ubuntu and Sabayon can't I? If not, then i'll just install it on my SSD, I don't mind overwriting Ubuntu, if need be I can easily revert back to it, run a few commands and my system will be back to how it is now :) it would be really nice to move away from Ubuntu, got nothing against it just I'd like to learn something new, don't like how RPM distros work, no point in moving from Ubuntu to another Debian based as they are all very similar (or so I have found). Tried this once or twice in the past but KDE was default and I can't stand it, so I'm really pleased there is a GNOME version :)
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Re: How does Sabayon 4.1 compare to Ubuntu 9.04 (jaunty)

Postby WarraWarra » Sun May 31, 2009 19:33

Speed is relative to hardware.

On my intel laptop intel core duo t2600 2.16ghz + nvidia 7800gtx SL boots very fast as the bios is not first spamming it with bloatware ie 7.8 secs avg before loading modules.
On a crappy AMD box amd3800+ 64 bit with nvidia 7600gt card from hell it boots upto the modules loading in 16 secs.

This times is as it counts by itself after bloatware Asus / Dell bios loading.
Dell bios can take 3 to 4 secs, Asus takes 10 to 20+ secs depending on it's mood + sil sata and inbuilt sata nvidia raid programs loading during this time. Then only can it start.

Depedning on the settings and gdm or kdm and gnome or kde you are using you can be loged in under 30 secs or upto 1 min on both Ubuntu, SL and other linux.

SL for me on avg after fresh install and no tweaking gets to 30 to 40 secs on 4.1 gnome and with a few adjustments / killing the splash screen and rc.conf parallel "yes" this comes down a bit by 5 secs or more.

If you can kill the waisted time looking for a floppy in any linux during first 7 secs of which 4 secs is waisted on a non exsisting floppy drive search then it will be faster.
I have not seen floppy drives or floppy / stiffy disks available in most shops or used them in 8 years not sure if anyone else still uses them.

The other advantage SL based on Gentoo is it is easier than gentoo to get into and you can customize / rebuild it to be specific to your actual hardware / cpu amd or intel and get another 5 to 10 secs removed from boot times and in Ubuntu likely not , I think.
SL Install can take 30 mins to install or tweaked install at 15 mins on my laptop, same with desktop.

General after login speeds depending on drivers and config your out of the box SL should be faster and more responsive than Ubuntu and installing bin packages can take a bit more time than say Ubuntu.

You would have video / audio codecs by default and most things by default with normal install in SL and would have to add them using other linux distro's.

Hardware we do not have 20000+ guys / us$400m dedicated to only making SL work we only have 10 to 20 and user input + donations and with hardware again we have less to test only with user input and fixes / problems can we fix stuff.

Most reports from other switched users suggest we have better hardware support / it works out of the box or somethings does not / excotic hardware and can be made to work with a bit of user effort / easy enough to do. if you can read and follow a guide then it is fixed most of the times.

You would not feel so closterphobic / limited by the packages you find in other distro's as here if there is source code you can build it, where with say ubuntu the basic is easy and then you need to be a rocket scientist to get it working and then a nightmare from there on, their end game sucks. Here it is easy or med tought and stay's the same + a billion customizations / tweaking that you can do and not easily done with other distro's.

The question remains with you = the purporse + time / is this a hobby / toy , is it a working system that you rely on and how much time you are willing to explore linux with.
Do you need to install and only once in a while update ?

Will you be playing with virtualbox / vmware or similar to keep your system stable and test in virtualbox / vmware or chroot and build in the chroot area / jail type area ?

This is the questions that will make you decide as to Ubuntu or SL. Compare the live dvd from Ubuntu their latest and say a old copy of SL 3.5 or latest copy of SL and decide where your future lies.

Gentoo is not easy and you need balls and teeth of steel sometimes but only once in a while. if you can gentoo then all other distro's seems like easy toys to play and fix as 97% of the commands is the same except here you learn something.

How easy is it to completely break / destroy SL and then get it back to life / working perfectly, for me after completely raping my recent SL install it got it back to working in 3 hours and completely fixed withing 1.5 days not using anything else than a internet connection and what is installed. Yes even networkign was nuked and recovered.

If a baboon like me can do this with zero linux skill then anyone can do it by following advice and reading the wiki's / older forum posts etc / live chat top right of this page / on the desktop.

Hope this gives you a idea.
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Re: How does Sabayon 4.1 compare to Ubuntu 9.04 (jaunty)

Postby weeman7007 » Sun May 31, 2009 19:56

Thankyou very much for spending your time giving me all the information that you have, I have found it useful to read through and I shall enjoy testing and playing with Sabayon :D

as for your (rhetorical) question about the purpose of my laptop, it is pretty much everything you listed as it is my only machine. I need it to function reliably, but I also like to play with settings and tweak them. As I read somewhere once... "If it ain't broke, it hasn't been tweaked enough". I think this is true, tweak things until it is broken, then fix it and tweak it slightly less. I am more than happy reinstalling again and again just because I keep breaking things, it is so handy having a separate /home partition purely for this purpose :mrgreen:
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Re: How does Sabayon 4.1 compare to Ubuntu 9.04 (jaunty)

Postby WarraWarra » Sun May 31, 2009 22:02

Cool just make backup's of important stuff like doc's mp3's etc as well as /var/lib/entropy as well as /usr/portage the redoing it becomes much faster as you can re-use these to recover / after clean install.
I keep a copy of /etc/make.conf as well and a few other config files.

Keep in mind for some accident we do not have "mc" so would have to install it after clean install and this can become a pain if you are used to having the basics like mc that I like to use. Reusing / copy back the /usr/portage and /var/.../entropy and it should be easy and fast enough.

Highly suggested is SL install and then virtualbox or vmware or chroot type and torture that virtual pc's / installs and keep your installed on hd version the same or fairly stable until used to how and what is done in Gentoo / SL.

It makes learning much easier and less painful. Their advantages out way the limitations virtualbox and vmware has in this case.

Wolfdens firefox search plug-in will make your live much easier to find solutions as the forums search is still very vague with it's results.

Keep in mind that the things changes a lot so the wiki's = general idea of how for both gentoo and SL wiki's and might need extra options / commands to get the job done right / added to info in wiki's for problem fixing.

You should always be able to fall back to gentoo old school install guide and ways if everything else fails.
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/h ... xml?full=1
Print this link and super glue to your pc screen or the back of the toilet door for reading or both LOL.

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