Do I really need to be an expert to use Sabayon? [Solved]

[hatalar205]

Hi, everyone.
I have been using ubuntu for 9 months. I have also temporarily used lots of debian based linux distributions. I can say I have enough experience. But I am not sure if it is enough for Sabayon. In other forums it is said that only expert users can use it. It is a bit complex. I have just downloaded iso image. I just want to ask before installing. Can I use it? I just need your valuable advise about its complexity.
Thanks in advance.

[crisandbea]

Hi, everyone.
I have been using ubuntu for 9 months. I have also temporarily used lots of debian based linux distributions. I can say I have enough experience. But I am not sure if it is enough for Sabayon. In other forums it is said that only expert users can use it. It is a bit complex. I have just downloaded iso image. I just want to ask before installing. Can I use it? I just need your valuable advise about its complexity.
Thanks in advance.

If you want you can use it.

[kodiakmax]

This distro is as complex as you want to make it. Try out the LiveDVD for a little while to see how you like it. If a distro has a LiveDVD I never imidiately install it. That defeats the purpose of the Live environment. The reason people say this is for advanced linux users is because it is based off of Gentoo. Even pure gentoo is good for begginners IMO. I started with Gentoo back in the day building from a stage 1 install. That is what helped me learn linux. I don't think I would have gotten nearly the the amount of knowledge with a "point-and-click" distro like ubuntu.

Anyway, I'm starting to ramble. try out the livedvd see if you like it. if you do, install it.

[WarraWarra]

If you want to make sure and get used to it get virtualbox = free and install in there or just run as livedvd in there.

If you used gnome or kde then you would know what to do here except it looks 1milj. times better than other distro's.

If you can insert a dvd into a dvd drive , walk away to make coffee or a sandwich and let it start automatically then 99% chance you should not have issues and see it end up in kde or gnome fully working. Obviously you can watch this process.

Only time to touch it is when after a first live dvd boot it failed then you will have to manually enter cheat codes to get it working.

Updating is easy using SPRITZ you let it update and then select what you need and let it install. Easy enough GUI installer.

Only thing that can cause confusion is installing other software not yet in Spritz / Equo / Entropy and have to do this manually but easy enough if you can read a guide and follow instructions then no problem.

You would likely have hardware that is either in the kernel already or in module / driver form or might have to manually load it for exotic hardware stuff not used by too many pc makers.

Some things is not in the same place or using precisely the same commands as in other linux distro's just a bit of patience and reading and you have a solution.

It really makes linux very nice but boring if it is this easy, just confusing at first with things is in other places or the commands slightly different from what you are used to. Just like having sex the first time LOL eventually you get it.

Nice thing is you can grow and make it as complex as as much torture as you want.

Once you see how unlimited and easy this is you would never go back to any other linux distro and damn it looks good.
If we complain here it is as ridiculous as the government complaining about 1 grain of sugar waisted where with other distro's they complain about a whole universe or solar system waisted. Makes a huge difference.

Hope this helps.

[hatalar205]

I have just made a Live USB flash drive. I am using gnome and everything works well. I have a Toshiba M800 (new version).
I only have problem with HDMI out. The desktop is larger than my LCD TV's screen. I can hardly see half of the top and button panels. Except that everything works perfect and fast. Can I solve HDMI problem after installation. My graphic driver is intel 945HDM.

[hatalar205]

It is like this. As you can see, it is a bit larger than it must be.

my screenshot

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[pepe999]

Hi,
I've been using Ubuntu for 3 years so I would say I'm an experienced user but Sabayon is much more complicated than I expected. I like working in the terminal but there are some different commands in Sabayon and also a package manager is something else than Synaptic. I strongly recommend read and learn Entropy!! This is not Synaptic so if you don't know how to, you can ruin your system. I had to reinstall Sabayon at least twice because I made unnecessary mistakes so learn it fisrt and install later....
Sabayon is my main system at the moment and Ubuntu is like a backup...

[hatalar205]

Hi,
I've been using Ubuntu for 3 years so I would say I'm an experienced user but Sabayon is much more complicated than I expected. I like working in the terminal but there are some different commands in Sabayon and also a package manager is something else than Synaptic. I strongly recommend read and learn Entropy!! This is not Synaptic so if you don't know how to, you can ruin your system. I had to reinstall Sabayon at least twice because I made unnecessary mistakes so learn it fisrt and install later....
Sabayon is my main system at the moment and Ubuntu is like a backup...

I made my first mistake. Can you look at this?
viewtopic.php?f=50&t=16858

[pepe999]

There is an answer on that topic. After an installation of Sabayon you have to add Ubuntu kernel into the /boot/grub/menu.lst
There is my menu.lst

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# grub.conf generated by the Sabayon Linux Installer
#
# Note that you do not have to rerun grub after making changes to this file
# NOTICE:  You do not have a /boot partition.  This means that
#          all kernel and initrd paths are relative to /, eg.
#          root (hd0,1)
#          kernel /boot/kernel-genkernel real_root=UUID=db086af4-ec56-40f5-80be-178fe40f67d7
#          initrd /boot/initramfs-genkernel
#boot=sda
default=0
timeout=5
splashimage=(hd0,1)/boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz

title Sabayon Linux x86-64 (genkernel-x86_64-2.6.29-sabayon)
   root (hd0,1)
   kernel /boot/kernel-genkernel-x86_64-2.6.29-sabayon  root=/dev/ram0 ramdisk=8192 real_root=UUID=db086af4-ec56-40f5-80be-178fe40f67d7 dolvm init=/linuxrc splash=verbose vga=791 CONSOLE=/dev/tty1 quiet resume=swap:/dev/sda4
   initrd /boot/initramfs-genkernel-x86_64-2.6.29-sabayon
   savedefault

title Sabayon Linux x86-64 (genkernel-x86_64-2.6.29-sabayon) (safe mode)
   root (hd0,1)
   kernel /boot/kernel-genkernel-x86_64-2.6.29-sabayon root=/dev/ram0 ramdisk=8192 real_root=UUID=db086af4-ec56-40f5-80be-178fe40f67d7 dolvm init=/linuxrc CONSOLE=/dev/tty1 resume=swap:/dev/sda4 nox acpi=off ide=nodma vga=normal
   initrd /boot/initramfs-genkernel-x86_64-2.6.29-sabayon
   savedefault

title   Ubuntu 8.04, kernel 2.6.24-23-generic
   root   (hd0,4)
   kernel   /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-23-generic root=UUID=4c9a70e1-cad9-4825-8485-53e087f9609a ro quiet
   initrd   /boot/initrd.img-2.6.24-23-generic
   quiet

title   Ubuntu 8.04, kernel 2.6.24-23-generic (recovery mode)
   root   (hd0,4)
   kernel   /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-23-generic root=UUID=4c9a70e1-cad9-4825-8485-53e087f9609a ro single
   initrd   /boot/initrd.img-2.6.24-23-generic

title   Ubuntu 8.04, memtest86+
   root   (hd0,4)
   kernel   /boot/memtest86+.bin
   quiet

title   Windows Vista
   rootnoverify (hd0,0)
   chainloader +1
   savedefault

This is not a mistake, it's an usual thing...

[WarraWarra]

hatalar205
I have the same with a Panasonic big tv thing using hdmi and it just needs to be adjusted to just less than 16:9 or 16:10 or run at native 1080i 1920x???? with extremely small text or 720i 1280x become 1270x704 or something like this, does this even in windows but can change mine in windows with nvidia screen size adjust feature. Had to manually adjust mine in xorg.conf but there should be a easier way likely in xorg website or intel or gentoo wwebsites likely.