Just a few questions [Solved]

[Acid_1]

Alright, as you may or may not know, I come from Ubuntu & derivatives. So there are definitely changes here. I would just like to know a couple of things (and yes I know we use su, I use it instead of sudo in Ubuntu too)

How does the package manager work -- I always do fresh installs so the upgrading won't be a problem for me, as I read it can be...

How easy is it to install proprietary drivers (nVidia)

EDIT:
Also, Ubuntu 9.04 has Ext4, does Sabayon 4.1? If it does, does it have the same problem (Crashing on deleting large files -- total hard freeze)

If no Ext4, when will it be available as an installation possibility.

And what version of Gnome does it come with?
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Also, does it have some nice form of package management like .deb or .rpm? It doesn't matter as I don't mind building from source, but I am just curious. Also, if any of you guys want to point me to some useful Sabayon specific information I would be more than appreciative of this, just no new-to-linux articles. (Been using it for 4+ years now)

Thanks all!

[micia]

Welcome Acid_1.

There is some changes in Sabayon, of course
Installing proprietary drivers in Sabayon is definitely easy, and they are installed by default.
There is a great package management system, it is Entropy, you can use it through the CLI
interface, which is 'equo', and through the GUI, which is Spritz.
The GUI version is considered to be less stable than the CLI one, but latest versions provide a good
grade of stability.
In other words, equo is Sabayons' apt-get.

Take a look at the wiki for more informations:
http://wiki.sabayonlinux.org/index.php?title=En:Entropy

Installing Nvidia drivers is as easy as typing in a root console:

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equo install nvidia-drivers


And, in order to activate them:

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eselect opengl set nvidia


you will need a reboot for this task to be completed.

[EDIT:] Yes, In Sabayon 4.1 Ext4 is the default filesystem, I haven't heard of any kind of problems for it.

[Acid_1]

Here's a release note on 9.04

Lock-ups when deleting files from ext4 filesystems

In some cases, deleting files from an ext4 filesystem is reported to cause soft lock-ups in the kernel (330824). Investigation of this problem is ongoing, and it is expected that a fix for this problem will be made available as a post-release update. To avoid this problem, users may wish to install using the default ext3 filesystem and convert their filesystem to ext4 (as documented on the ext4 wiki) once a fix is available.

And I can confirm it's happened to me too

As for the package management, that's great with me, I prefer the CLI and use the GUI when I'm just searching for something in general (Games, Python add-ons, etc.)


Also, Ubuntu keeps the apt sources in /etc/apt/sources.list is there a file that I that lets me edit the sources for equo?

I'm sorry if I am asking too many questions but I'm just trying to get this down pat so when I do the install in a week or so that it'll go as smoothly as possible.

[micia]

You don't need to apologize at all, we are here to answer to your questions

If that problem is related to the ext4 filesystem itself I guess the problem will exist in Sabayon too.
I had that filesystem installed on a PC, and used it for 2 days deleting relatively large files and had no problems,
but this is just my own case.
However if you are unsure, ext3, reiserFS and so on, are all available as options during installation
(you have GParted at your fingertips on the LiveDVD ).

My Knowledge base about apt is pretty limited
If you mean repositories, you can edit them directly from Spritz, in an easy and comfortable way.
Or do it in the less comfortable way editing manually /etc/entropy/repositories.conf.

[Acid_1]

Thank you. If Ext4 is just an Ubuntu issue I'll be okay, as many people think it's one of their patches that they do to the kernel themselves, and many are finding that apparmor are causing it even more. But if it's just Ubuntu specific, I'll definitely use Ext4.

As for the package editing, I much prefer command line, so I think I'll use /etc/entropy/repositories.conf. Thanks

[micia]

If you are interested in good features of equo (some of them are really cool)
take a look at:
http://wiki.sabayonlinux.org/index.php?title=En:List_Of_Equo_Functions
also you can use the equo help message, it is very useful:

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equo --help


Also the backup feature can interest you:
http://joostruis.blogspot.com/2009/01/creating-backup-for-entropy.html

Some checkup tools are:

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equo libtest
equo deptest
equo unusedpackages


[EDIT]
And don't forget the cleanup feature, Equo does not perform auto cleanup,
so after using it for some time (a week or so) I reccomend you to run:

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equo cleanup


to reclaim some space.
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equo has a ton of features that many don't even suspect about, knowing them will
keep your system safe and clean.
(wolfden docet)

[Thev00d00]

You don't need to apologize at all, we are here to answer to your questions

If that problem is related to the ext4 filesystem itself I guess the problem will exist in Sabayon too.

Dont guess! No point "helping" newbs with some possibly wrong info was fixed by latest kernel patchsets, which are in the latest sabayon kernel. Ext4 is solid here deleting large files (just deleted a 4.5gb iso)

However if you are unsure, ext3, reiserFS and so on, are all available as options during installation

Hes right there though.

I doubt you will need to edit the /etc/entropy/repositories.conf as we dont have our reposititories split, bwe have one big one instead

[micia]

Sorry for the wrong info, I was telling my own experience, as I underlined with "I guess" and "this is my own experience".
I'll try to be more precise next time, again, I apologize.

[Acid_1]

If you are interested in good features of equo (some of them are really cool)
take a look at:
http://wiki.sabayonlinux.org/index.php?title=En:List_Of_Equo_Functions
also you can use the equo help message, it is very useful:

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equo --help


Also the backup feature can interest you:
http://joostruis.blogspot.com/2009/01/creating-backup-for-entropy.html

Some checkup tools are:

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equo libtest
equo deptest
equo unusedpackages


[EDIT]
And don't forget the cleanup feature, Equo does not perform auto cleanup,
so after using it for some time (a week or so) I reccomend you to run:

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equo cleanup


to reclaim some space.
[END OF EDIT]

equo has a ton of features that many don't even suspect about, knowing them will
keep your system safe and clean.
(wolfden docet)

That sounds good. I'll read the backup feature, though I am pretty anal and usually do it myself, unless it's something like remastersys in which case I'll definitely give it a shot. Thanks for the advice on equo, as I didn't know that, although as far as I can tell, apt doesn't perform auto cleanup either.

You don't need to apologize at all, we are here to answer to your questions

If that problem is related to the ext4 filesystem itself I guess the problem will exist in Sabayon too.

Dont guess! No point "helping" newbs with some possibly wrong info was fixed by latest kernel patchsets, which are in the latest sabayon kernel. Ext4 is solid here deleting large files (just deleted a 4.5gb iso)

However if you are unsure, ext3, reiserFS and so on, are all available as options during installation

Hes right there though.

I doubt you will need to edit the /etc/entropy/repositories.conf as we dont have our reposititories split, bwe have one big one instead

Newb to Linux no, but to Sabayon, yes . So that Ext4 bug was part of the kernel. So it will be fine now. I've tried reiserFS and I don't like it very much. And for editing the repositories, it's nice that they're all in one big one, so that'll be easier to edit. I like to add the wine repo from their site, as well as sometimes other ones

Thanks all! This is an amazing forum and I am sure that I'll be back!

[Thev00d00]

[quote="Acid_1 And for editing the repositories, it's nice that they're all in one big one, so that'll be easier to edit. I like to add the wine repo from their site, as well as sometimes other ones [quote]

You realise that sabayon doesnt use deb? Unless wine has started providng entropy packges that I havent heard about