May I ask, what is layman?
So sabayon has some extra ebuilds... so how would --sync works? When I do emerge --sync would it just get all the packages including those sabayon one's? What about mirrors? Would I still be able to use the normal mirrors? Because my ISP has a local Gentoo mirror which I can use, it is the fastest and they don't charge anything for downloading off my ISP's mirror.
Also, I saw kernel.config files on the download page...what is it for? Does the installer uses it or is it for those who want to recompile their kernel?
Last the not least, is 3.0 Stable coming out soon or? (I want to know this because I like to try Sabayon this weekend.)
Thanks.
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by cvill64 » Mon Sep 04, 2006 16:54
You need to do layman -S to "sync" all the overlays. Layman is just a CLI overlay manager, and a damned good one at that!
No you won't be using local gentoo mirrors, but you won't be syncing massive amounts either, an overlay is just to compliment and add too.
The config is for those who need to know how we compiled our kernel.
stable will be out soon
No you won't be using local gentoo mirrors, but you won't be syncing massive amounts either, an overlay is just to compliment and add too.
The config is for those who need to know how we compiled our kernel.
stable will be out soon
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by Sunnz » Mon Sep 04, 2006 17:03
So do layman -S instead of emerge --sync? What if I want to do something like: emerge samba? Would I have to use layman instead?
Is that for sync only? What about installing other software themselves? (Where you would download the source.)No you won't be using local gentoo mirrors, but you won't be syncing massive amounts either, an overlay is just to compliment and add too.
I wanted to try this out this weekend initially... should I wait for final? (Would it be released around this weekend? Not that I want you to rush... I'll be happy to try out RC2.)stable will be out soon
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by cvill64 » Mon Sep 04, 2006 17:56
It will definitly be out before the week's end as I have a linux crash course to teach!
Umm...I think you're over thinking it
Overlays just compliment portage and must be "synced" seperately. So to "sync" your portage and overlays you do " # emerge --sync && layman -S "
To install overlays (like ours) you do " # layman -f -a sabayon " Then the emerge --sync will sync the main portage tree and layman -s will do a "svn up" command to update to the latest revision.
Then, to install packages from either, where the most current version number will prevail (2>1) you just do emerge -s <package> emerge -pv <pacakge> emerge -av <package>.
Hopefully that explains it a bit better, I've gotten a request for a howto on this sort of stuff, so check the tutorial section soonly
Umm...I think you're over thinking it
Overlays just compliment portage and must be "synced" seperately. So to "sync" your portage and overlays you do " # emerge --sync && layman -S "
To install overlays (like ours) you do " # layman -f -a sabayon " Then the emerge --sync will sync the main portage tree and layman -s will do a "svn up" command to update to the latest revision.
Then, to install packages from either, where the most current version number will prevail (2>1) you just do emerge -s <package> emerge -pv <pacakge> emerge -av <package>.
Hopefully that explains it a bit better, I've gotten a request for a howto on this sort of stuff, so check the tutorial section soonly
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by wolfden » Tue Sep 05, 2006 8:44
Ok I couldn't resist - I saw 2006.1 and went oh what the heck, I have a free partition just waiting to be used.
I have done a manual install of Gentoo about 2 years ago and was very successful with the install, just that it took forever. I told myself I never wanted to do that again. I ran in the unstable branch and after a couple years of doing that I pretty much borked my system. I've been waiting for a gui installer for Gentoo for long time now to reinstall it.
The defualt gentoo gui installer is a failed project. The irc and gentoo forums all say to do the manual install according to the handbook.
My experience with the gui installer of 2006.1:
I started Friday morning by picking all the options I wanted - the installer failed 2/3rds into install. So I fire it up again and pick lesser packages, thinking that would be better - again it fails. Thinking it must be fluke, tried again - fail. Thinking it must really really be a fluke, tried again - fails. Alrighty, so I pick lesser packages and change the boot install around, again it fails. Ok, I am thinking I will try the commandline installer instead of the gtk installer. Pick the options I want and it fails. Back to the drawing board and pick less options and it fails of course. Maybe a fluke? try again = fail.
So I jump over to the forum for any advice, don't see much but people saying to manually install it and to completely remove the gui installer. Jumped into the #gentoo irc room and they are saying to follow the handbook and do it manually.
I keep thinking that is has to be a fluke. Why would the gentoo people go thru all the work of putting it on the cd and making a 2006.1 live cd handbook installer if it didn't work??? Boot up the livecd and crank up the gtk gui installer and pick my options of just install the kernel and no extra packages, well it failed. Fire up the commandline installer and tell it to just install the kernel and no packages. It fails but made it almost to the end so I am thinking I bet most of it is there and rebooted. Up came grub with everything and I click on gentoo and presto the kernel loads and takes me to the commandline login.
I digout out nano and nano around to edit some files to help setup a complete setup. My make.conf wasn't done right, rc wasn't setup, hostname wasn't either, those kinda files. So after editing files and doing a net-setup eth0 I am ready to emerge --sync. I successfully got sync to update. At this point and time I realize that I absolutely have no packages. I didn't even have a .conf file for packages to determine my kernel. I punch in emerge kde-meta and 6.5 hours later with only 2 packages failing to install I have kde installed, but need xorg-x11. That installed and I was able to kdm my way to a login box to a KDE desktop, oh yea I had to create a user before all of that.
So by Sunday afternoon I finally have a some what working gentoo install, remember I started Friday morning. It's now Tuesday at like 2am and I'm finally getting around to installing individual packages that I normally use, like amarok, open office, opera, win32codecs etc.... A few more days and I should probably have it all or not. I'm running into problems with some packages failing to install cause of things missing from the failed install in the first place and I really don't know what to do to get them to install as some of the error messages as to why they are not installing doesn't tell me anything. Amarok fails and I can't remember off the top of my head on which package, but it only needs like 2 packages to complete.
The whole entire weekend I am thinking - if gentoo is so damn superior why can't they make an installer that works. Every other distro on the planet has an installer that works. Installing slackware is a piece of cake compared to gentoo.
So what is my conclusion?
Well, download Sabayon and install it with the beautiful gui installer that works!. You will gain a month of time easily, Sabayon is less than an hour to install! It will work perfectly with very few files to edit. You can use emerge to install any missing programs and to update your system. Join us in the IRC room to keep cvill in-line, get help and learn more about the Sabayon project.
So yea Thank You Sabayon!
I have done a manual install of Gentoo about 2 years ago and was very successful with the install, just that it took forever. I told myself I never wanted to do that again. I ran in the unstable branch and after a couple years of doing that I pretty much borked my system. I've been waiting for a gui installer for Gentoo for long time now to reinstall it.
The defualt gentoo gui installer is a failed project. The irc and gentoo forums all say to do the manual install according to the handbook.
My experience with the gui installer of 2006.1:
I started Friday morning by picking all the options I wanted - the installer failed 2/3rds into install. So I fire it up again and pick lesser packages, thinking that would be better - again it fails. Thinking it must be fluke, tried again - fail. Thinking it must really really be a fluke, tried again - fails. Alrighty, so I pick lesser packages and change the boot install around, again it fails. Ok, I am thinking I will try the commandline installer instead of the gtk installer. Pick the options I want and it fails. Back to the drawing board and pick less options and it fails of course. Maybe a fluke? try again = fail.
So I jump over to the forum for any advice, don't see much but people saying to manually install it and to completely remove the gui installer. Jumped into the #gentoo irc room and they are saying to follow the handbook and do it manually.
I keep thinking that is has to be a fluke. Why would the gentoo people go thru all the work of putting it on the cd and making a 2006.1 live cd handbook installer if it didn't work??? Boot up the livecd and crank up the gtk gui installer and pick my options of just install the kernel and no extra packages, well it failed. Fire up the commandline installer and tell it to just install the kernel and no packages. It fails but made it almost to the end so I am thinking I bet most of it is there and rebooted. Up came grub with everything and I click on gentoo and presto the kernel loads and takes me to the commandline login.
I digout out nano and nano around to edit some files to help setup a complete setup. My make.conf wasn't done right, rc wasn't setup, hostname wasn't either, those kinda files. So after editing files and doing a net-setup eth0 I am ready to emerge --sync. I successfully got sync to update. At this point and time I realize that I absolutely have no packages. I didn't even have a .conf file for packages to determine my kernel. I punch in emerge kde-meta and 6.5 hours later with only 2 packages failing to install I have kde installed, but need xorg-x11. That installed and I was able to kdm my way to a login box to a KDE desktop, oh yea I had to create a user before all of that.
So by Sunday afternoon I finally have a some what working gentoo install, remember I started Friday morning. It's now Tuesday at like 2am and I'm finally getting around to installing individual packages that I normally use, like amarok, open office, opera, win32codecs etc.... A few more days and I should probably have it all or not. I'm running into problems with some packages failing to install cause of things missing from the failed install in the first place and I really don't know what to do to get them to install as some of the error messages as to why they are not installing doesn't tell me anything. Amarok fails and I can't remember off the top of my head on which package, but it only needs like 2 packages to complete.
The whole entire weekend I am thinking - if gentoo is so damn superior why can't they make an installer that works. Every other distro on the planet has an installer that works. Installing slackware is a piece of cake compared to gentoo.
So what is my conclusion?
Well, download Sabayon and install it with the beautiful gui installer that works!. You will gain a month of time easily, Sabayon is less than an hour to install! It will work perfectly with very few files to edit. You can use emerge to install any missing programs and to update your system. Join us in the IRC room to keep cvill in-line, get help and learn more about the Sabayon project.
So yea Thank You Sabayon!
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by wolfden » Tue Sep 05, 2006 8:46
Sunnz wrote:Is tutorial the wiki thing? I tried the wiki but the links don't work...
I believe he is referring to http://www.lxnaydesign.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1183
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