feedback on x86-64-3.0rc2a

[hoodwink]

Just installed from the new LiveDVD. Congratulations on a fantastically well-crafted product!!! Just a few little hiccups that could be bugs or opportunities for enhancement or "that's just the way it works." Please let me know, and I'll be happy to open bug reports, if any.

First the background. I've run Gentoo off and on, but not much in the past year and a half. My installation is on a Gateway GT4016 (newer nForce MCP51 MB, amd64, 1G memory, onboard MCP51 NIC (forcedeth) MCP51 sound (snd_hda_intel ) and nVidia video. I'm multi-booting the machine (WinXP, Kubuntu 6.06, CentOS4.3). The harddrives are IDE.

1. The Anaconda installer/partitioner needs an extra option to force logical drives . Going into the install, my hda had hda1 (primary), hda2 (primary), hda3 (extended), hda6-8(logical). There is no way to cause remaining allocations to be logical. The partitioner allocatedthe first drive as hda9(/ logical), the second as hda4 /var primary), and the third as hda10 (/home logical). Not exactly an error; it just looks screwy.

2. The LiveDVD startup is really S-L-O-W (see below).

3. The installer setup my Samsung SyncMaster 730B for 1024x768, but the preferred setting is 1280x1024. The Debian/Ubuntu installers make the correct choice.

4. Unlike the Debian/Ubuntu/Red Hat installers, the Sabayon installer does not detect and add to grub.conf the other Linux systems present on the box. It's no big deal to add these after rebooting, but I've grown spoiled by the other installers.

5. The installer detected and setup my nVidia card, but something is badly wrong in xorg land. It takes a full 50 seconds at bootup to start X (end of boot sequence to appearance of the login panel. javascript:emoticon(':('). This is rediculous. It takes 20 seconds to restart X after up and running. Equivalent operations are 10 and 5 seconds on my Ubuntu system. I'm running KDE, in case that matters.

6. Sigh, old Gentoo habits die hard. Vim is not installed, just the old freakin' nano.

7. Other comments in a separate post.

Once again: fantastic job!!!

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Collins

[wolfden]

I'll take nano over anything, it's been the default editor for few years now in gentoo.

it recognized and setup my Nvidia GF 7600GT card, but I had to make some changes in Xorg to get the resolution I wanted working. I think it defaulted to 800x600, but commenting out a few things and adding in my resolution it works perfectly.

The speed I have heard several comments on. Personally on my system I don't think it is taking any longer than my windowsXP. If I felt comfortable about editing optimizations and recompiling than maybe I would try it, but it boots up and it works great. Not gonna take a chance to break it for a 5 second faster boot up.

Grub detected my WindowsXP install and that was all setup fine, I just changed the name from other to Windows.

It's all good. I have been working on it to get things to work. I had no locate command and had to make some changes to get that working. I'm still fighing the multimedia of streaming videos. I was expecting that tho, since all 64 bit distros seem to have that battle.

Keep in mind this is not the final release!

[vagabondo]

I had a quick look round the LiveDVD on my AMD-64 desktop, but then went back to SuSE-10.1 to get some work done (and seed the torrent). Yesterday I swapped the HD in the laptop (mobile Celeron) and installed 32bit RC2f.

Any 'nix without vi/vim is beyond comprehension -- and Gnu systems should probably have emacs as obigatory out of respect.

There is an slocate group, which has to be removed in order to
# emerge sys-apps/slocate

The KDE menus are a mess.

There needs to be kde-SabLin to automagically add/delete items from the KDE menu following emerege/unmerge.

Rosegarden et al but no jack?

The installation should be able to collect localisation/keyboard mapping from the Live install or/and allow localisation to be specified at the same time as root password etc. This is all best done at the start of the install, so that the bulk of it can be unattended, allowing the machine to suspend/switch off under apci at the end of the install.

What is the point of asking which desktop when they are all installed? Instead of radio buttons why not checkboxes; then the user could specify what they wanted, e.g. one heavy and one light destop. If I have KDE/Koffice then the Gnome office tools should not be installed by default and vice versa. Similarly Kedit/Gedit Konqueror/Nautilus etc. This could speed up the installation a bit --it is very slow.

A utility should be provided to install optional stuff from the DVD/CD.

The System module is not present for the KDE control panel.

Iam sure that the Broadcom wireless utilities were on the Live install, but they are not on the HDD install. (dmesg -- bcm43xx: Error: Microcode "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw" not available or load failed}

If there were tidied up KDE/Gnome-centric menus for the appropiate desktop, perhaps the Live install could have both side by side? I think that that would be less cluttered and more navigable.

The default kernel has reiser4, but this is not an option for choosing which filesystem to create. Software RAID volumes are not detected. It is not obvious how to mount HDD filesystems with the Live install. The live install should offer to store the users' home directories and changed files from /etc/ to a removable media device.

None of the KDE Handbooks seem to be installed.

The blue KDE splash screen is a bit incongruous within the Sabayon Linux colour scheme.

There should be a Sabayon-default in the KDE theme manager. This would make it easier to e.g. select the Keramik window decoration without having to recreate Sabayon compatible colours.

I reserve judgement until I have tried it for a month.

[lxnay]

I had a quick look round the LiveDVD on my AMD-64 desktop, but then went back to SuSE-10.1 to get some work done (and seed the torrent). Yesterday I swapped the HD in the laptop (mobile Celeron) and installed 32bit RC2f.

Any 'nix without vi/vim is beyond comprehension -- and Gnu systems should probably have emacs as obigatory out of respect.

why? Only because you like vi/vim and emacs and me not. Who is right?

There is an slocate group, which has to be removed in order to
# emerge sys-apps/slocate

will be there in final.

The KDE menus are a mess.

The problem is: if I tweak the KDE menu, some new apps won't be showing in the right way. If I don't, the apps will be showing like their developers want.

There needs to be kde-SabLin to automagically add/delete items from the KDE menu following emerege/unmerge.

Removing a .desktop file automatically reflects the removal in the Apps menu.

Rosegarden et al but no jack?

[ebuild R ] media-sound/jack-audio-connection-kit-0.101.1-r1 USE="alsa portaudio sndfile -caps -debug -doc -jack-tmpfs -netjack -oss" 0 kB

The installation should be able to collect localisation/keyboard mapping from the Live install or/and allow localisation to be specified at the same time as root password etc. This is all best done at the start of the install, so that the bulk of it can be unattended, allowing the machine to suspend/switch off under apci at the end of the install.

?? Have you run the Installer till the end?

What is the point of asking which desktop when they are all installed? Instead of radio buttons why not checkboxes; then the user could specify what they wanted, e.g. one heavy and one light destop. If I have KDE/Koffice then the Gnome office tools should not be installed by default and vice versa. Similarly Kedit/Gedit Konqueror/Nautilus etc. This could speed up the installation a bit --it is very slow.

1 hrs and half on a 500€ PC is slow??? Have you ever tried to install MacOSX ?
Btw, the application selection will come, but first I want to integrate an Upgrade procedure.

A utility should be provided to install optional stuff from the DVD/CD.

Why? You have a lot of software, you have Kuroo and Portage from shell. Why? If you want less, just get the miniEdition.

The System module is not present for the KDE control panel.

So? I still can't understand if you want a very bloated LiveDVD or not

Iam sure that the Broadcom wireless utilities were on the Live install, but they are not on the HDD install. (dmesg -- bcm43xx: Error: Microcode "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw" not available or load failed}

Yes that's a bug, /lib/firmware is empty, will be fixed in 24hrs.

If there were tidied up KDE/Gnome-centric menus for the appropiate desktop, perhaps the Live install could have both side by side? I think that that would be less cluttered and more navigable.

That's not SL fault and I don't like dirty and counterproductive hacks.

The default kernel has reiser4, but this is not an option for choosing which filesystem to create. Software RAID volumes are not detected. It is not obvious how to mount HDD filesystems with the Live install. The live install should offer to store the users' home directories and changed files from /etc/ to a removable media device.

Software RAID volumes are detected, the default kernel won't have reiser4 anymore starting from stable. I think that you need to read the extra documentation and re-read what you've written above Mounting a filesystem? Just go to Storage Media in kde (or type: media:/)

None of the KDE Handbooks seem to be installed.

?

The blue KDE splash screen is a bit incongruous within the Sabayon Linux colour scheme.

will be worked out.

There should be a Sabayon-default in the KDE theme manager. This would make it easier to e.g. select the Keramik window decoration without having to recreate Sabayon compatible colours.

Just save the Colours Scheme.

I reserve judgement until I have tried it for a month.

I am running RR64 on my devel workstation for 4 months

[allotment]

why? Only because you like vi/vim and emacs and me not. Who is right?

Can we have both please (have been trying 3.0RC2f)
I miss vim.
But fan of both of nano and vim will be happy if you add both.
Ok, I know there might be more important things to improve.

[wolfden]

just emerge vim and edit the file rc.conf and edit the line so vim is default



problem solved