Very few Packages in Entrophy compared to debian

[desputin]

Hi,

I come from debian and the first thing I noticed in sabayon is, that there are relatively very few packages in Entrophy compared to the number of packages in the debian-repository.

So if I would like to install sabayon on a new computer I think about it twice. Even though the packages in debian are not always up to date and even though it is necessary to add some repositories (e.g. multimedia) manually I think it is more practical if programs for everyday use can be installed quickly (and don't have to be compiled manually).

Maybe I'm wrong. Does anyone of you know how many packages are in Entrophy?

Best regards
desputin

[manifesto]

I personally found almost everything I need in entropy.
You can check this http://packages.sabayon.org/ to see which packages are ready to be used.
Check Binary only to see native entropy pkgs and sources are gentoo ones.
You can use both packages manager but it may be tricky so be careful.
It really depends on what you want to do with your linux install.

[linuxfluesterer]

Hallo...
I agree with Manifesto. Before Sabayon I had Kubuntu in 2011 and then due to the message, Marc Shuttleworth won't support Kubuntu after 12.04 version (Precise Pangolin) anymore, I was trying Sabayon 8 (updated in between to 9).
But with that I had (technical) problems and some features I missed. So I tried Chakra, but there was really no good package support, complecated and not successful. Then I read, a new version of Sabayon with KDE 4.9 and 3.5 kernel was published. I tried this and my experience is really good. I installed it, my KDE is working fine and I have installed different packages, I will let you know for example here. They all work fine for me, too.
- Skype
- Virtualbox
- Gyachi (a yahoo messenger with webcam support!)
- Chrome
- Thunderbird (German version, almost impossible in Chakra)
- kaffeine, vlc
I also see in Rigo, that there is a java runtime engine, so I expect to run programs like ProjectX. I will install later.
And ... the support here in that forum was helpful for me ... on the other hand, I can give help too.
So, try it...

-Linuxfluester (I love KDE...)

[Fitzcarraldo]

desputin, you are comparing apples and oranges. The total number of packages available in the Sabayon Weekly Entropy repository is presently 12,453 (hint: equo --help), which is indeed a smaller number than the total number of available packages in Debian. However, bearing in mind that SL is customised Gentoo and the Entropy packages were built using Gentoo Portage ebuilds, now read the posts in the following thread: Portage, RPM or DPKG: number of packaged software comparison. You'll hopefully understand that packages in Debian and SL are not analogous.

Both of those [i.e. Debian and Ubuntu] split many packages into two, with the headers in a separate -devel package. One of the reasons why such comparisons do little more than justify Oscar Wilde's view of statistics.

Continuing to bear in mind that SL is customised Gentoo, consider that, whilst not all the ebuilds in the Portage main tree have been built and put in the Entropy repository, essentially all packages in the Portage main tree could be built and put in the Entropy repository. There is no point doing so for the sake of it; to keep update times as low as possible it is better to add a package if a user requests it. As manifesto pointed out, the large majority of packages that users want are already available in Entropy.

Ignoring the number of packages in the two SL Portage overlays, as they are relatively small, consider only the number of ebuilds in the Portage main tree. Excluding overlays, the laptop on which I'm typing this has the following number of ebuilds in the main Portage tree (sync'ed with a Gentoo repository on 22 September):

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# ls -lshaR /usr/portage | grep ebuild | wc -l
31270

Of course, when one also considers the ebuilds available in overlays (use the command layman -L to list all the available overlays), that number rises. So there is a large selection of additional packages potentially available to be built and added to the Entropy repository upon user request.

[joost]

Do not forget that debian/Ubuntu have many packages split into tiny bits.

An example would be PHP. (Perhaps not the best example but here goes anyway)
http://gpo.zugaina.org/data/gentoo/dev- ... 4.7.ebuild

Notice all the USE flags:

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IUSE="${IUSE} bcmath berkdb bzip2 calendar cdb cjk
   crypt +ctype curl curlwrappers debug doc
   enchant exif frontbase +fileinfo +filter firebird
   flatfile ftp gd gdbm gmp +hash +iconv imap inifile
   intl iodbc ipv6 +json kerberos ldap ldap-sasl libedit mhash
   mssql mysql mysqlnd mysqli nls
   oci8-instant-client odbc pcntl pdo +phar pic +posix postgres qdbm
   readline recode selinux +session sharedmem
   +simplexml snmp soap sockets spell sqlite3 ssl
   sybase-ct sysvipc tidy +tokenizer truetype unicode wddx
   +xml xmlreader xmlwriter xmlrpc xpm xsl zip zlib"

Where we mostly have them all enabled it means that all those modules are build and shipped in Entropy in 1 package: dev-lang/php. In Debian this is different. They split off the modules from the PHP package, creating a zillion additional packages.

http://packages.debian.org/search?keywo ... ection=all

This is just a single example of the many. Reason why Debian has more packages, it doesn't necessary mean that Sabayon offers less software.

[desputin]

Thanks for the answers so far.

I think I just noticed very few but for me very important packages that are missing now that were there before (in debian). On the other hand I have packages available now, that aren't in the debian repository.

Just a few examples for missing packages:

-Tesseract languages. Debian has all of them available and they can be installed seaparately. Sabayon only has 1 Language=EN.
-Gscan2pdf: I already complained in a different thread about this program missing in the repository.
-Other nice, small programs from debian I didn't find here are for example fotowall and I think also chrootkit
-Turboprint: There is no deb or rpm package I can install for Sabayon. For this software and for many other programs from 3rd parties outside the repository there are usually deb or rpm files available to simply download and install (most of the time for debian/ubuntu and for Suse/Feodora). For Sabayon this is more difficult because there are usually no "Standard-Packages" from 3rd parties available.

[sabayonino]

For Sabayon this is more difficult because there are usually no "Standard-Packages" from 3rd parties available.

Who said that .deb or rpm are standard packages ?? because *buntu /Fedora are the main Distro used ?

Gnu-Linux/*Nix offers the source code of every packages. This is the main standard "packages".

You can compile and install the source code for all Distros .. Gentoo/Sabayon (and derivatives) provides this possibility in a more easy way.

[desputin]

Hi,

You can compile and install the source code for all Distros .. Gentoo/Sabayon (and derivatives) provides this possibility in a more easy way.

I'm new to Gentoo/Sabayon... In what way is it easier here?

[micia]

Well, portage completely automates source compiling

[Fitzcarraldo]

-Other nice, small programs from debian I didn't find here are for example fotowall and I think also chrootkit

BTW, both of those are in Entropy:

https://packages.sabayon.org/quicksearch?q=rootkit
https://packages.sabayon.org/quicksearch?q=fotowall

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equo install fotowall chkrootkit