Handling (Gentoo)layman "overlays" with Equo & Sulfur

[ShadowCat8]

Greetings,

I was just curious about the handling of overlays in Sabayon.

Are the packages from the overlays the same ones that are in the sabayon-limbo repository? (Of course, minus the 'sabayon' overlay) Or is there another method to handle them within Entropy?

I am still getting my bearings with Sabayon, and I didn't feel I got a clear answer from the Sabayon Entropy Wiki page other than it is STRONGLY recommended not to combine portage and Entropy.

Any thoughts about this?

TIA.

[bernd_b]

Here is a thought:

If you would not be able to combine entropy and portage, than you could either

- use any other binary distro like ubuntu, Suse, debian or RedHat
or
- use gentoo

I thought this is the real point of sabayon: having both: the ease of a binary distro and all the possibilities of portage if you need your own special stuff.

This is why I started to try sabayon after years of using gentoo alone. I hope I won't get disappointed...

[Stupot]

There are a lot of gentoo overlays, maintained by a lot of different people.

There are two gentoo overlays maintained by Sabayon devs. 'sabayon' and 'sabayon-distro'. 'sabayon-distro' has Sabayon specific packages, branding, etc, maintained solely for the Sabayon distro. 'sabayon' contains generic packages that are safe for gentoo users to add as well. The reason 'sabayon' exists is to fix/add packages that aren't fix/maintained elsewhere.

Entropy uses portage to build its binary packages. It builds them from the main portage tree, and the two Sabayon overlays. It does not use any of the other gentoo overlays (to the best of my knowledge).

Everything built starts out in the Sabayon-limbo repository. When things have been tested out, they are pushed out to the Sabayon repository. And finally, once a week, changes are pushed from the Sabayon repo to the Sabayon-weekly repo.

In direct response to your question, what is in Sabayon-limbo is typically the latest packages in the portage tree and the Sabayon overlays.

[Stupot]

FYI, the reason it's strongly recommended not to mix and match is because of custom compile flags.

When you compile packages with portage, you pass in compile flags and it compiles everything to make it all compatible.

If you mix and match, you can compile things in such a way that they are incompatible (i.e. will cause crashes) with the binary installed packages.

It certainly is possible to do both and have them live in harmony, but it's complicated and therefore unsupported.

[albfneto]

Limbo is a Repo of Entropy (Binaries), equo command

However, Sabayon and Sabayon-Distro overlays are Overlays of Gentoo type, are for ebuilds, for source code, for using with Portage, as in gentoo. Emerge command

although is not reccomended to mix the installers, this is possible, if experencied. For this, first edit the file /etc/entropy/client.conf and in the string "ignore pseudo downgrades", change disable to enable.

But see in the net, prior, the portage and entropy documentations, for know how are the differences between the two installers, since mix Entropy with Portage without experience or knownledge, may break down your system.

is it not possible to manipulate overlays of gentoo with sulfur, you need commands or a GUI for portage, as portato

[Fitzcarraldo]

is it not possible to manipulate overlays of gentoo with sulfur, you need commands or a GUI for portage, as portato

albfneto, I would not recommend Portato if I were you, as it is no longer being developed and does not work correctly with the latest versions of Portage (see http://necoro.eu/portato/):

Important: Portato does not work with current versions of portage. Hence I asked to remove it from Gentoo. I do not know, if I will ever make it work again. So please step up if you are interested in getting it running again.

[albfneto]

really. You is certain!

i mantained the old portage package rc 89 in one of my sabayon installations, because i enjoy Portato, but i removed it in my Gentoo installation (portage rc 100) and in my other Sabayon installations. I use GUis sometimes (when i will see the names of many packages) but i use emerge command line also..

for begginers in gentoo like distros, olher GUIs for Portage are Porthole and Kuroo. In my tests, they working.

[joost]

FYI Portato has been dropped from Entropy now too.