Strange orphaned packages

[King_DuckZ]

Hello, it's been since when NetworkManager got removed that whenever I upgrade the system equo asks me if I want to delete some packages that seem quite important to me:

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[root@dev00 ~]# equo upgrade
>>  @@ Calcolo Aggiornamenti di Sistema...
>>  @@ Niente da aggiornare.           
>>  @@ Sul sistema ci sono pacchetti che non sono più disponibili nelle repository online.
>>  @@ Sebbene siano solitamente innocui, è suggerita (dopo verifica appropriata) la loro rimozione.
>>  @@ Questi sono i pacchetti che dovrebbero essere rimossi MANUALMENTE:
>>  ## [sabayonlinux.org] dev-libs/libnl-1.1-r2 [988.9kB]
>>  ## [sabayonlinux.org] sys-libs/db-4.6.21_p4 [7.8MB]
>>  ## [sabayonlinux.org] dev-libs/boost-1.42.0-r2 [69.1MB]
>>  ## [sabayonlinux.org] net-wireless/b43-firmware-4.150.10.5 [211.7kB]
>>  @@ Questi sono i pacchetti che vorrebbero essere rimossi:
>>  ## [sabayon-weekly] media-tv/linuxtv-dvb-headers-5 [0.0b]
>>  ## [sabayon-weekly] kde-misc/kcm-grub2-0.5.0 [410.2kB]
Vuoi rimuoverli?
>> Repository
>> [1] Si
>> [2] No
>> [3] Selettivo


I'm having this on both computers where I installed Sabayon plus the virtual machine. Is it really ok to remove those things? How do I make equo shut up?

[King_DuckZ]

Just to be sure, I deleted the "unneeded" packages from my vm sabayon: considering all the dependencies that get pulled in, kde gets removed. The system seems still able to make it to kdm though.
Any fix for this message? I imagine those packages are not receiving any updates either.

[joost]

This has to do with SLOTS in ebuild (the ability to have multiple versions of a piece of software installed at the same time, so we can slowly migrate to the newer version)

>> ## [sabayonlinux.org] dev-libs/libnl-1.1-r2 [988.9kB]
Reinstall this one, I'm not sure why it ended up here, but you need it.
>> ## [sabayonlinux.org] sys-libs/db-4.6.21_p4 [7.8MB]
Remove, not in tree anymore (old SLOT)
>> ## [sabayonlinux.org] dev-libs/boost-1.42.0-r2 [69.1MB]
Remove, not in tree anymore (old SLOT)
>> ## [sabayonlinux.org] net-wireless/b43-firmware-4.150.10.5 [211.7kB]
Not sure about this one, it still is in Tree, be it a different version. Reinstall it if unsure
>> @@ Questi sono i pacchetti che vorrebbero essere rimossi:
>> ## [sabayon-weekly] media-tv/linuxtv-dvb-headers-5 [0.0b]
Can be removed, this was migrated through virtual/linuxtv-dvb-headers
>> ## [sabayon-weekly] kde-misc/kcm-grub2-0.5.0 [410.2kB]
Remove it, and reinstall it if you need it. A newer version with a different SLOT is introduced. (We moved from using our overlay to Portage version and this one uses SLOT:4 instead of SLOT:0)

Eventhough we try to gently try to migrate users we sometimes have a little bump in the road because the slotmove wasn't set properly (to migrate users automagically) e.g. with kde-misc/kcm-grub2

[King_DuckZ]

Ok, I'm tryng to do as you say but I get some problems:

1) dev-libs/libnl

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[root@dev00 ~]# equo remove dev-libs/libnl-1.1-r2
>>  @@ Questi sono i pacchetti scelti:
>>    # (1/1) [sabayon-weekly] dev-libs/libnl-1.1-r2 [440.8kB]
>>  @@ Questi sono i pacchetti che vorrebbero essere rimossi:
>>  ## [sabayon-weekly] net-wireless/wimax-tools-1.4.5-r1 [1.0MB]
>>  ## [sabayon-weekly] kde-base/kdeplasma-addons-4.8.0 [12.6MB]
>>  ## [sabayon-weekly] kde-base/kdebase-startkde-4.8.0 [20.2kB]
>>  ## [sabayon-weekly] kde-base/plasma-workspace-4.8.0 [13.4MB]
>>  ## [sabayon-weekly] kde-base/kinfocenter-4.8.0 [1.8MB]
>>  ## [sabayon-weekly] kde-base/powerdevil-4.8.0 [1.4MB]
>>  ## [sabayon-weekly] net-p2p/ktorrent-4.1.3 [11.9MB]
>>  ## [sabayon-weekly] net-libs/libktorrent-1.1.3 [2.7MB]
>>  ## [sabayon-weekly] kde-base/krunner-4.8.0 [810.0kB]
>>  ## [sabayon-weekly] kde-base/ksmserver-4.8.0 [396.5kB]
>>  ## [sabayon-weekly] kde-base/solid-4.8.0 [1.7MB]
>>  ## [sabayon-weekly] net-misc/networkmanager-0.9.2.0-r2 [4.6MB]
>>  ## [sabayon-weekly] dev-libs/libnl-1.1-r2 [440.8kB]


So this one doesn't look very orphaned. The idea was to remove and reinstall. Just installing it over does't make it disappear from the orphaned list.

2) sys-libs/db

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[root@dev00 ~]# equo remove sys-libs/db
>>  @@ Questi sono i pacchetti scelti:
>>    !!! (1/1) sys-libs/db-4.8.30: pacchetto vitale. Rimozione vietata.
>> Niente da fare.


Equo refuses to remove this, as it's a vital package.

3) dev-libs/boost
I removed and reinstalled boost and it still appears in the orphaned list too. I don't know if it's used by the Linux core binaries, but it's a very low level library that could break things if removed. On top of that, I need it for the softwares I develop myself. Shouldn't manually installed packages never be orphaned?

4) phonon-xine
Last, we also have a new entry:
## [sabayonlinux.org] media-libs/phonon-xine-4.4.4 [1.5MB]

5) kde-misc/kcm-grub2 and media-tv/linuxtv-dvb-headers
No prob for the last two, I removed both them (I take it kcmgrub2 is just an editor and not a dependency to anything).

[joost]

You lack to give the exact versions:

example:

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equo remove sys-libs/db-4.6.21_p4

[cl00t]

Ok, I'm tryng to do as you say but I get some problems:

1) dev-libs/libnl

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[root@dev00 ~]# equo remove dev-libs/libnl-1.1-r2
>>  @@ Questi sono i pacchetti scelti:
>>    # (1/1) [sabayon-weekly] dev-libs/libnl-1.1-r2 [440.8kB]
>>  @@ Questi sono i pacchetti che vorrebbero essere rimossi:
>>  ## [sabayon-weekly] net-wireless/wimax-tools-1.4.5-r1 [1.0MB]
>>  ## [sabayon-weekly] kde-base/kdeplasma-addons-4.8.0 [12.6MB]
>>  ## [sabayon-weekly] kde-base/kdebase-startkde-4.8.0 [20.2kB]
>>  ## [sabayon-weekly] kde-base/plasma-workspace-4.8.0 [13.4MB]
>>  ## [sabayon-weekly] kde-base/kinfocenter-4.8.0 [1.8MB]
>>  ## [sabayon-weekly] kde-base/powerdevil-4.8.0 [1.4MB]
>>  ## [sabayon-weekly] net-p2p/ktorrent-4.1.3 [11.9MB]
>>  ## [sabayon-weekly] net-libs/libktorrent-1.1.3 [2.7MB]
>>  ## [sabayon-weekly] kde-base/krunner-4.8.0 [810.0kB]
>>  ## [sabayon-weekly] kde-base/ksmserver-4.8.0 [396.5kB]
>>  ## [sabayon-weekly] kde-base/solid-4.8.0 [1.7MB]
>>  ## [sabayon-weekly] net-misc/networkmanager-0.9.2.0-r2 [4.6MB]
>>  ## [sabayon-weekly] dev-libs/libnl-1.1-r2 [440.8kB]


So this one doesn't look very orphaned. The idea was to remove and reinstall. Just installing it over does't make it disappear from the orphaned list.

Whenever I have had to manually uninstall a package as recommended after an update, I always just remove that package, no dependencies. Use the --nodeps switch. I also use --ask as well.

I used to get the error with dev-libs/libnl-1.1-r2 & at one time I uninstalled it with --nodeps. Next time I ran equo deptest it was reinstalled again.

[King_DuckZ]

You lack to give the exact versions

Oops, now I could remove it without problems. I didn't realize there were two versions of that installed.

I used to get the error with dev-libs/libnl-1.1-r2 & at one time I uninstalled it with --nodeps. Next time I ran equo deptest it was reinstalled again.

Thanks for the info. While this worked for other packages, for libnl I keep on getting the problem:

equo remove --nodeps dev-libs/libnl-1.1-r2
equo deptest
equo upgrade

then I get the message again:

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>>  @@ Calculating System Updates...
>>  @@ Nothing to update.
>>  @@ On the system there are packages that are not available anymore in the online repositories.
>>  @@ Even if they are usually harmless, it is suggested (after proper verification) to remove them.
>>  @@ These are the packages that should be MANUALLY removed:
>>  ## [sabayonlinux.org] dev-libs/libnl-1.1-r2 [988.9kB]
>>  ## [sabayonlinux.org] media-libs/phonon-xine-4.4.4 [1.5MB]
>>  @@ Nothing to remove.
>>  @@ Configuration files scan complete.

At least this is the last package left... This happens both on the virtual machine and on my laptop.

[joost]

All I can find is the fact that slotting got introduced with libnl.
Maybe this is why Entropy is confused about it, not sure. Fact is that you need this one installed.

26 Oct 2011; Jeroen Roovers <jer@gentoo.org> libnl-1.1-r2.ebuild,
-libnl-2.0.ebuild, -libnl-3.0.ebuild, -libnl-3.1.ebuild, libnl-3.2.1.ebuild:
Introduce SLOTting thanks to Azamat H. Hackimov (bug #384229).

I will give libnl a revision bump, hopefully solves it.

[sparrow242]

Is there any solution for this problem? Still libnl is shown after upgrade as orphaned package, but remove it will remove a lot of other programs (networkmanager, etc.). Remove ist with --nodepts will affect a reinstall while equo deptest.