Install problem: No bootable medium found. Again.

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Re: Install problem: No bootable medium found. Again.

Postby parad9gm » Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:25

Fitzcarraldo wrote:Not sure why the LiveCD/SD is not seen in /proc/partitions, though, and am not on a Linux machine to check it at the moment, but what do fdisk -l and df -h show?

fdisk isn't supported by the boot shell, but df -h reports
Filesystem: udev; Size: 10.0M; Used: 0; Available: 10.0M; Use%: 0%; Mounted on: /dev
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Re: Install problem: No bootable medium found. Again.

Postby lucchesi » Sat Sep 03, 2011 5:27

Hello. I am a complete newbie with Sabayon, I am trying to install it for the first time, and I am having the exact same problem. Except that I think I have a pretty good idea what the problem is.

I don't have a CD/DVD drive. I just have a netbook. I just have one USB memory stick, it's 8 GB and it contains many other Linux distro live CD images, including important system rescue distros. They are all managed by something called MultiBoot ISOs, recently renamed to Yumi. Since I need that one USB memory stick and the several distros in it, I cannot use Unetbootin, because MultiBoot ISOs relies on Grub and Unetbootin will change the boot sector on the memory stick and kill Grub. I am stuck with MultiBoot ISOs for my multiple booting needs.

Just a few distros work with MultiBoot ISOs, and that's because MultiBoot ISOs hacks them. It extracts files from their corresponding ISO files and puts them in a directory and changes menu.1st accordingly so Grub will boot them. Unfortunately, there are only so many distros that MultiBoot ISOs will hack and make work. Neither Sabayon nor Gentoo is in the list of supported distros. MultiBoot ISOs offers the option to boot from a regular, unchanged ISO, but that never works quite as expected. The result is always the same: the installer or boot mechanism or whatever absolutely expects to be on a CD. No one has ever told the poor, helpless thing that it could be booting from a USB stick. So the mindless creature looks every which way, can't find a CD and promptly panics, throws a fit, gives up. I have seen that happen many times.

In fact, I have seen that happen with Unetbootin too, a few times, so Unetbootin would probably not help either in this case.

The only distro I have seen that is truly fluent in multiple boot possibilities is Puppy. CD, DVD, USB, external drive, network, floppies, you name it. That thing is made to boot off anything, I suppose. You may have to add parameters to the boot command line, but it absolutely works.

I've never seen another distro that was quite as smart, though. All the other distros are short sighted, they kind of live in a distant past when booting from USB devices was pretty much an eccentricity that only early adopters would put in practice. They do not even contemplate the idea of booting off different kinds of media. CD, CD, CD, ok - DVD! is all they care about. Some will provide an .IMG file instead of .ISO that can be written to a memory stick with 'dd'. But then it's usually a very small, reduced version that tends to leave out "unimportant" things such as a minimal graphical environment or... wireless network drivers. Yes, wireless network drivers are way too big, can't cram them in (sarcasm). Success with those varies. The one distributed with PC-BSD, for example, simply does not work. The worst case I've run into is NetBSD: they just point to some script that someone, somewhere (not them) has made available that will turn the standard NetBSD distribution directory into a bootable USB image. With just one minor glitch: the script only works on NetBSD! You have to have NetBSD already in order to be able to install NetBSD... facepalm! :roll:

Meanwhile, many other distros just work with Unetbootin and consider the matter solved. That's how I installed Ubuntu, for example, and the entire experience was 100% identical to that of a CD-based installation. Sweet sweetness.

There are kludges around this annoying and rather uncivil attitude towards USB devices. For example, with Slackware, Arch, FreeBSD and NetBSD, I have managed to boot and do quite a lot until the moment comes to copy/install the software to the hard disk: I either tell the installer to look for the installation payload somewhere inside the USB device or mount some other partition that contains the installation payload and tell the installer to get the installation payload from there. It works quite nicely.

I have been unable to pull that trick off on Sabayon, though. I can't seem to find the presence of the USB memory stick anywhere (I get an identical error message to that parad9gm is getting), and supposing I could mount another partition with the necessary data, I have no idea how to tell Sabayon to quit whining, and just use that because that's what we have, mmkay?

Which reminds me, I have that same problem with System Rescue CD. And it's based on Gentoo, is it not? Isn't that a surprising coincidence...

Like I said, Slackware, Arch, FreeBSD and NetBSD go as far as booting completely. They will not complain until it's time to copy/install packages to the hard disk, and even then, they will tell me quite frankly that they are willing to accept alternatives if I can offer any. Gentoo/SRCD/Sabayon are not willing to take alternatives. They halt in their track like an old, stubborn mule.

What to do then? Well, ideally, this whole Gentoo/Sabayon CD booting mechanism should be rewritten so it is smarter and realizes that it's 2011, just four years until we finally get our flying cars, and that lots of quirky people these days are bent on booting their computers off of USB devices. Those are absolutely great by the way, they are really small and fast, and did I mention convenient? You really should give them a try one of these days. Or, if that is not possible, please tell us what incantation we can type in and execute after falling back to 'shell' that will make Sabayon say OOOOHHH! DUH! and, well... boot.

Thank you for your attention.
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Re: Install problem: No bootable medium found. Again.

Postby Fitzcarraldo » Sat Sep 03, 2011 6:58

Nicely written, lucchesi. However I've used UNetbootin successfully with SL KDE and GNOME Editions, and have installed SL to HDDs from USB pen drives on several occasions and for several different releases of SL. The last time I tried to install SL Xfce Edition (SL 5.4) specifically was from a LiveCD, not a pen drive, and that failed consistently. So I'm not convinced the problem with booting SL Xfce Edition specifically from a Livd pen drive is a result of using UNetbootin. As for SystemRescueCD, the procedure for installing that on a USB pen drive is given on http://www.sysresccd.org/Sysresccd-manu ... from_Linux.
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Re: Install problem: No bootable medium found. Again.

Postby raman » Sat Sep 03, 2011 8:27

Fitz have right. I'm also installing new linuxes, like: Sabayon 6 KDE, Sabayon 6 XFCE, Linux Mint, LMDE, etc. from USB. I'm doing this often. In my opinion it's case touching only a some versions, like some daily sabayon shots. Frankly this problem I saw only 2 times in Sab.
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Re: Install problem: No bootable medium found. Again.

Postby parad9gm » Sun Sep 04, 2011 2:46

I managed to work around my original issue by installing SL 6 to the HDD from another computer. The original problem remains unresolved, unfortunately.

All the best,
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Re: Install problem: No bootable medium found. Again.

Postby lucchesi » Wed Sep 07, 2011 5:08

Fitzcarraldo wrote:As for SystemRescueCD, the procedure for installing that on a USB pen drive is given on http://www.sysresccd.org/Sysresccd-manu ... from_Linux.

Yes, I already have a SRCD pen drive. But see that it takes some degree of effort to make it work. It's a separate procedure. Meanwhile, other distros have ISO files that work with Unetbootin right off the bat.
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Re: Install problem: No bootable medium found. Again.

Postby lucchesi » Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:43

Hi. Does anyone have any updates on this issue? I am still willing to try Sabayon, but can't make it work. Should I expect any changes, fix, update? Does that kind of thing get fixed in the nightlies? Announced somewhere?

Please remember I have never used Sabayon and, most importantly, I have no idea how its community works/behaves.
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Re: Install problem: No bootable medium found. Again.

Postby lucchesi » Mon Oct 03, 2011 21:06

Please pardon any inconvenience, but I need to bump this thread. Isn't there anyone around here could help me with this? I just got a 1GB pen drive, tired to install Sabayon on it with Unetbootin, but still run into the same problem described earlier in this thread: Sabayon won't boot. Then it prompts for something, apparently it might be willing to accept some further instruction to help it boot, but I don't know what to do. Can someone please help?
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Re: Install problem: No bootable medium found. Again.

Postby Fitzcarraldo » Mon Oct 03, 2011 22:47

I've no time to read this thread through from the beginning again, but have you got the pen drive formatted as FAT32? For UNetbootin to work, it MUST be formatted as FAT32. If it is formatted as NTFS it won't work.
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Re: Install problem: No bootable medium found. Again.

Postby lucchesi » Tue Oct 04, 2011 0:02

Yes, FAT32.

I am not THAT clueless. I don't even use Windows, I would sooner format my entire hard disk with FAT16 than with NTFS.
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