Is Sabayon really for me?

[Fitzcarraldo]

Nada? I bet you get an error message! What is it?

Notice in the Bugzilla Report that there is a patch file 0.9.3-no-wget-ktnxbye.patch that has to be applied. Create the directory /usr/local/portage/media-video/handbrake/files/, put the patch file in it, recreate the manifest and re-run the emerge command. Also, I recommend that you use emerge -1v <package name> so that you don't put the package name in the Portage world file.

EDIT: BTW, the digest command still works but is deprecated. It's recommended to use "manifest" instead of "digest".

EDIT2: For local overlays you need to add a line to your /etc/make.conf file (see Re: Miro miro-2.0.3-r1.ebuild HOWTO (advanced)for example), so also add that if not done already.

[Jeff91]

I'm not saying that these things are hard to do - they are not. But as he said if he doesn't like playing with things having a .deb that you double click and have it install is very much so a path of less resistance to install the same software.

~Jeff

[Jeff91]

EDIT: BTW, the digest command still works but is deprecated. It's recommended to use "manifest" instead of "digest".

If this is the case someone should update the wiki to reflect said information in the given example - http://wiki.sabayonlinux.org/index.php? ... ty_Ebuilds

May I inquire as to what the difference is between the two?

~Jeff

[Fitzcarraldo]

I'm not saying that these things are hard to do - they are not. But as he said if he doesn't like playing with things having a .deb that you double click and have it install is very much so a path of less resistance to install the same software.

~Jeff

And I don't disagree with this. But people should realise that Ubuntu is not necessarily always easier. For example, to install Skysentials (SMS for Skype) in SL 4.1/2 I had to do the following:

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emerge skype4py skysentials

and then fire up Skype for Linux 2.0.0.72 and enter the command:

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syksentials.py

in a Terminal/Konsole window under my usual username.

An Ubuntu 9.04 user had to do the following:

Install subversion if you don't have it, as we're going to use the development version of Skype4Py.

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sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install subversion

Now create a work directory for Python in you home dir, call it what you like, I call it python. Step into the directory, download Skype4Py svn and install it...

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mkdir Python
cd Python
svn co https://skype4py.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/skype4py skype4py
cd skype4py
sudo python setup.py install

Now get my modified skysentials package and extract it.

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cd ..
wget -c http://xodeus.dk/files/skysentials-1.0.1-xod.tar.gz
tar -zxvf skysentials-1.0.1-xod.tar.gz
cd skysentials-1.0.1-xod

And you're ready to fire up skysentials now...
Start skype and run skysentials bu running this command from within the extracted directory

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./skysentials.py

You tell me which one was easier to use.

Another example: To install a Canon MP510 printer in SL I had to do the following: viewtopic.php?f=83&t=12316&p=71321#p71321
whereas in Ubuntu I had to do the following: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=559292

Again, tell me which one was easier to use.

A lot also comes down to familiarity. If I decided to switch to, for the sake of argument, Fedora, I'd have to learn about its package managers and that distribution's quirks. Every new thing has its learning curve. The best way is to try them for a while and compare them first-hand. I tried Ubuntu and Sabayon and prefer the latter. Others may prefer Ubuntu. The thing to do is try both, and preferably other distributions as well (I also use PCLinuxOS, for example).

[Fitzcarraldo]

If this is the case someone should update the wiki to reflect said information in the given example - http://wiki.sabayonlinux.org/index.php? ... ty_Ebuilds

May I inquire as to what the difference is between the two?

~Jeff

What part in particular are you referring to? The use of "manifest" i.s.o. "digest"? If yes, it was changed due to a redesign of the Portage package management system to improve functionality: Manifest2 format. You can find out more by googling (e.g. http://blogs.gentoo.org/nightmorph/2008 ... nouncement). "digest" is aliased to "manifest" and so still works, but the Gentoo developers could decide to drop it in future so it makes sense to use the manifest command. As to changing it in the Wiki, yes it could do with being changed but the SL development team and volunteer base is small and have day jobs. Also, anyone is welcome to edit the Wiki or add new articles: I've put a few there myself. If you have time on your hands, I'm sure everyone would be grateful if you searched through the Wiki and replaced all occurrences of "digest" with "manifest" (and I say that sincerely, not sarcastically). The Wiki is not perfect and needs constant updating and correcting, just like any other Wiki does.

[Shibblet]

I'd prefer to not go command line if at all necessary.

It seems that most Sabayon'ers and Gentoo'ers learned on the command line, and that is what is easiest for them. But it's like driving a stick-shift. If you learned automatic, you'll never truly be comfortable with stick. And why bother? There are so many cars out there that aren't stick! You have to look at the use. I don't race, or have the need to power-shift... I just want to put the car in drive, and go.

(I like the car analogy, because any Linux Distro-Car gives you the ability to be free - to drive wherever you want, go wherever you want. Using Windows is like riding on a bus. Ever notice how everyone on the bus is irritated and depressed because they don't have any freedom, and it takes longer to get where they are going? Anyway, I digress...)

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying I don't like Sabayon. I really do. It seems to be the best performing distro (next to Gentoo, and that's arguable really) out there. I've run Ubuntu, Mandriva, OpenSuSE, realized that I prefer Gnome over KDE, so I'm not one of those jerks who is even going to compare Sabayon to Windows. At this point, I'm not even considering going back to Windows... just a different distro. I'm also, not a quick-quitter. I will try to get this working for at least another week or two.

My only issue with Sabayon is that I have the hardest time getting certain apps to work. Only those that aren't in the Sabayon repository. And Handbrake is detrimental to my "mission".

I think I could do everything I needed to with any linux distro. So for me, it just comes down to how much time I am willing to put out to make something work. For me, it's the simplicity of the package managment. Synaptics point and click works phenominally, and so does the Add/Remove programs windows.

I started a different thread about handbrake here
http://forum.sabayonlinux.org/viewtopic.php?f=86&t=17968
and I'll post my problems from the ebuild as soon as i run it again.

[Jeff91]

I'm sure everyone would be grateful if you searched through the Wiki and replaced all occurrences of "digest" with "manifest"

Mmm I actually do get a bit of down time at my job, I'll start crawling the wiki later for other uses of "digest" where "manifest" should be. (PS that was my first wiki edit ever... I feel like I earned a new nerd point or something)

~Jeff

[Thev00d00]

Handbrake is a WIP of mine, check out a working ebuild on my overlay: http://gitweb.sabayonlinux.org/?p=playg ... ld;hb=HEAD