3.5 - Entropy vs Portage

[techcode]

Can someone point me in the right direction. I tried to find out this on my own - but beside figuring out that Entropy is 100% compatible I'm still not sure ...


I just installed the latest Sabayon 3.5 - after a lot of time (I still don't see how copying/installing everything then removing not wanted packages makes sense) it booted and the new package manager notifications started popping up. So it's nice - it's the new kid Entropy - reminds me of one time I took Ubuntu for a spin (and removed it right away) and it's package manager that didn't work

OK - let's see - I need Synergy - but Entropy repositories don't have it [Or I cant find it] - so let see if good old emerge is still there I think. Might be good idea to first sync it. So I do emerge --sync, and It seems like I don't have portage tree at all ?!? It takes too much time - and since nothing is deleted at the end I'm 99.99% sure that it was empty.


So what is the deal with Entropy vs Portage? If I install something via Entropy or Portage - will it be shown it the other one? I can't find anything mentioning how to work with both of them.

[wolfden]

First viewtopic.php?f=76&t=13823

Second viewtopic.php?f=76&t=13891

Third http://wiki.sabayonlinux.org/index.php? ... tage_Guide

Synergy is not in entropy yet, see link 2 above

You will still need to do emerge --sync && layman -S and yes the first time will take a while, have patience

Pick a package manager you want to use as your main one - use the other package manager as you need too - yes they will work together

[techcode]

Thanks for making it clear - I'm Gentoo user for a couple of years so I just wasn't sure about the Entropy part ...

[pstolowski]

Hi,

I'm new to Sabayon and Gentoo. I've been using Sabayon 3.5 for one week and everything works fine. I've been installing most of the stuff with equo and just a few packages with emerge.
I would appreciate if someone could answer these two questions:
- can I use/interchange equo and emerge safely, e.g. whenever I don't like particular USE flags of an Entropy package, I just emerge it? In general, is it safe to use both equo and emerge on regular basis?
- can I 'emerge world' ?

I searched the forum and found out a few reports about using equo as a main package manager and emerge as a supplementary tool successfully, but I'm just wondering what's the "official" recommendation and what would Sabayon developers say about that.

Thanks,

Pawel

[wolfden]

Merged

Pick a package manager you want to use as your main one - use the other package manager as you need too - yes they will work together

[albfneto]

wolfden
I installed sabayon 3.5.
i enjoy so much entropy but for regular applixations.
but i also enjoy sabayon 3.4F and gentoo.
despite to entropy works well, i want somtimes to compiler programs.
i know that entropy and portage emerge are compatible, but their use together is considered dangerous tosystem
i also see that in the make.conf, default 3.5, with entropy, does notuse gentoo mirrors.
is is possible to use the two systems...
i see another thing... compiling my own programs,is more easy to make the packages in brazilian portuguese, or not....
another thing. i see that the 3.5 version does not have the file locales.build...
is possible to configure the locale as pt_BR, for a preferencialdownlaod od brazilian portuguese packages, if they exists...

[wolfden]

Best advice is to pick one you want to use as your main one

If you go portage you can edit/create any and all config files and it's actually recommended to do that if you go portage and than rebuild your system to a leaner system. You can still use entropy but it should be done in limited usage as the packages are pre-built to different configs and pending on your configs that can enable or disable wanted/unwanted features.

It's up to you and how you want to run your computer. Both ways work and mixing works, but should be limited pending on your config files.

For me I like to have total control. I only want what I desire on my computer. I don't want bloat and I want to edit config files to make the system leaner. I want to be able to control what features I want from a package. I'm not looking at gaining speed, it's about running my computer to what I have and what I want it to do. An ideal install for me is a core install, set my configs, and start building. It takes longer, but in the end I don't have a lot of these issues you see on the forum with portage. You'll have less run in with file conflicts, masked packages, updates in general and a very solid system using lesser resources and space. It's not for everyone tho. People are impatient with compiling and don't know how to resolve portage conflicts, so entropy will take care of that for them and at a much quicker rate. Entropy is perfect for laptop owners also as you will save on the life of your system.

So it boils down to what you want to do. Neither way is wrong and entropy will continue to grow and mature also. Just keep in mind when mixing to be aware of the version and configs.

[albfneto]

Thanks, Wolfden.
Resuming, if i want total control of the options, FLAGS, optimization for the hardware platform, faster performance of the packages i may use Portage-Emerge.
But if i want a more stable, more facile use and maintain my system, for example in a notebook, or if i want to use the comp, not to test Sabayon possibilities, but use it, in a regular installation, Entropy is more adequate.
This help me to decided. I enjoy the two possibilities,
i will use Entropy in the notebook at my work, less time consuming...
In my house,i may try testing the classical installation system and optimization.
In my particular comp, i have 5 work areas and i use the new blue screen and also the antique red screen, taken from my old 3.4 and saved in my pen-drive prior to the installation of the 3.5...
I never seen another Linux as Sabayon... it is so beautiful and efficient.
Congratulations!

[Fitzcarraldo]

Resuming, if i want total control of the options, FLAGS, optimization for the hardware platform, faster performance of the packages i may use Portage-Emerge.

And if you want native language support. You'd have to add "pt" and/or "pt_BR" (I suggest both) to the LINGUAS environment variable in /etc/make.conf, add the global USE flag "nls" to the list of global USE flags in /etc/make.conf, add linguas USE flags to the list of local USE flags in /etc/portage/package.use and disable unwanted linguas USE flags (see, for example, the USE flags I mentioned in the thread spellchecking problem) and re-merge the packages.

See also the Gentoo Linux Localization Guide or Configurando localización en Gentoo Linux (infelizmente não existe em português).

[albfneto]

Thanks again
. Yes i made this, and also i made this for the previous version 3.4F.
I have no problems in ready english.
i enjoy pt-BR softaware because i'm brazilian.