Sabayon Community

by **beko** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 15:26

Hi... I saw Sabayon on distrowatch & it's attractive desktop make want to try it but I never used any distro depend on SRC (Portage) at all .

I used many distro's but never tried Gentoo or any distro based on it.... So my question is will it be easy for me to give Sabayon a try ?

I don't mind to learn something new for me but will I be able to find basic (how to's) to work with SRC (Portage) ?

Right now I am using daul boot Ubuntu+windows xp(for just games) & very happy with it but in the same time I really want to try Sabayon ... please advise.

by **wolfden** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 15:38

Gentoo Documentation is huge
http://gentoo-wiki.com/Index:HOWTO
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/index.xml
http://gentoo-wiki.com/Main_Page

Sabayon's Wiki
http://www.sabayonlinux.org/wiki/index. ... =Main_Page

Plus you have IRC channels and forums

Portage is easy - It's what turned me on to Gentoo

I highly recommend tho that you get the latest version. The official announcement of the mini should be very shortly, it's on linuxtracker.com already. The 3.0 mini has the latest bug fixes and has XGL and aiglx. Lxnay will be posting more info shortly with an official announcement.

The DVD versions are out already for the 3.0, but the 3.0 mini's are the latest and IMHO da best yet.

Give it a whirl - you have nothing to loose with the livecd

by **beko** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 16:07

Thank You wolfden for your fast reply... I was downloading the DVD image but I cancelled it after I saw your answer & now I am downloading the Mini Image & will give it a try & will take a look at the links you recommended.

Another 2 questions ....Is there any installation guide ( I didn't see it on Wiki)? Will i have any problem with making Sabayon run in daul boot with windows xp?

Thank you again

by **Goatee** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 17:08

no, on the dual boot

by **docbill** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 18:53

beko wrote:Thank You wolfden for your fast reply... I was downloading the DVD image but I cancelled it after I saw your answer & now I am downloading the Mini Image & will give it a try & will take a look at the links you recommended.

Another 2 questions ....Is there any installation guide ( I didn't see it on Wiki)? Will i have any problem with making Sabayon run in daul boot with windows xp?

Thank you again

It depends on your setup. For me I found that it mapped grub with the partitions on the wrong drive. Fortunately I had a backup of my original grub partition. Also, if one of the machines is an "eMachine" you will have to be carefull. On some e-Machines any modifications to the partition table will stop windows from booting. About the only solution I found in that case is to go ahead and use Linux to repartition the drive the way you want it and then use the eMachine's restore disk to reinstall Windows. The restore disk claims it will reformat the entire drive, but I found it left my partition table alone.

Bill

by **wolfden** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 22:25

beko wrote:Thank You wolfden for your fast reply... I was downloading the DVD image but I cancelled it after I saw your answer & now I am downloading the Mini Image & will give it a try & will take a look at the links you recommended.

Another 2 questions ....Is there any installation guide ( I didn't see it on Wiki)? Will i have any problem with making Sabayon run in daul boot with windows xp?

Thank you again

Dual Booting is not a problem - it should detect and setup your windows partition just fine

Installationg guide? - it's a 5 step wizard - dunno what your specifically looking for. It's a snap to install

by **beko** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 22:57

Thank you for everybody .... wolfden I didn't know the installation is in the graphical interface until i downloaded the cd .... I thought I will need to compile everything like in gentoo & that's why I asked if there is any guide for this but everything looks very easy here...I just want to know how to work with SRC (Portage) .

Thank you again

by **wolfden** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 23:16

For Portage:
Introduction:
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/h ... t=2&chap=1

User Guide
http://linuxreviews.org/gentoo/emerge/

Sabayon Wiki Portage
http://linuxreviews.org/gentoo/emerge/

once you pickup the commands you'll love it

by **pxc** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 23:36

Portage should be somewhat familiar if you are used to aptitude. I haven't been using SabayonLinux very long, but here's my routine for installing a package.

1.)

Code: Select all: emerge -s

Emerge -s searches for packages with whatever you place afterwards. IE: emerge -s gaim looks like this:

Code: Select all: * app-accessibility/festival-gaim Latest version available: 1.1-r1 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of files: 27 kB Homepage: http://festival-gaim.sourceforge.net Description: A plugin for gaim which enables text-to-speech output of conversations using festival. License: GPL-2 * net-im/gaim Latest version available: 2.0.0_pre20060517 Latest version installed: 2.0.0_pre20060517 Size of files: 6,379 kB Homepage: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/ Description: GTK Instant Messenger client License: GPL-2 * net-im/gaim-blogger Latest version available: 1.0.0 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of files: 29 kB Homepage: http://gaim-blogger.sourceforge.net Description: Gaim-blogger is a protocol plugin for Gaim which makes use of Gaim's IM interface to post, edit, view and track blogs. License: GPL-2 * net-im/gaim-bnet Latest version available: 0.1.1 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of files: 458 kB Homepage: http://gaim-bnet.sourceforge.net Description: gaim-bnet is an Battle.net chat protocol plug-in for Gaim License: GPL-2 * net-im/gaim-meanwhile Latest version available: 1.2.8 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of files: 358 kB Homepage: http://meanwhile.sourceforge.net/ Description: Gaim Meanwhile (Sametime protocol) Plugin License: GPL-2 * net-im/gaim-snpp Latest version available: 0.8.0 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of files: 304 kB Homepage: http://gaim-snpp.sourceforge.net Description: gaim-snpp is an SNPP protocol plug-in for Gaim License: GPL-2 * x11-plugins/gaim-assistant Latest version available: 0.09 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of files: 205 kB Homepage: http://gaim-assistant.sourceforge.net/ Description: Gaim Assistant is a plugin to Gaim that will allow you to forward messages to a different screen name should you become away. License: GPL-2 * x11-plugins/gaim-encryption Latest version available: 2.38 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of files: 531 kB Homepage: http://gaim-encryption.sourceforge.net/ Description: GAIM Encryption PlugIn License: GPL-2 * x11-plugins/gaim-extprefs Latest version available: 0.5 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of files: 308 kB Homepage: http://gaim-extprefs.sourceforge.net Description: Gaim Extended Preferences is a plugin that takes advantage of existing gaim functionality to provide preferences that are often desired but not are not considered worthy of inclusion in Gaim itself. License: GPL-2 * x11-plugins/gaim-galago Latest version available: 0.3.2 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of files: 385 kB Homepage: http://www.galago-project.org Description: Galago feed plugin for Gaim. License: GPL-2 * x11-plugins/gaim-hotkeys Latest version available: 0.1.2 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of files: 297 kB Homepage: http://gaim-hotkeys.sourceforge.net Description: gaim-hotkeys is a Gaim plugin that allows you to define global hotkeys for various actions such as toggling buddy list, fetching queued messages, opening preferences or account dialog. License: GPL-2 * x11-plugins/gaim-latex Latest version available: 0.4 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of files: 18 kB Homepage: http://sourceforge.net/projects/gaim-latex Description: Gaim plugin that renders latex formulae License: GPL-2 * x11-plugins/gaim-libnotify [ Masked ] Latest version available: 0.11 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of files: 422 kB Homepage: http://gaim-libnotify.sourceforge.net/ Description: gaim-libnotify provides popups for gaim via a libnotify interface License: GPL-2 * x11-plugins/gaim-otr Latest version available: 3.0.0-r1 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of files: 327 kB Homepage: http://www.cypherpunks.ca/otr/ Description: (OTR) Messaging allows you to have private conversations over instant messaging License: GPL-2 * x11-plugins/gaim-rhythmbox Latest version available: 1.0.0.1 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of files: 291 kB Homepage: http://gaim-rhythmbox.sourceforge.net/ Description: automatically update your Gaim profile with current info from Rhythmbox License: GPL-2 * x11-plugins/gaim-slashexec Latest version available: 1.1_beta1 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of files: 406 kB Homepage: http://guifications.sourceforge.net/SlashExec/ Description: execute commands from within a Gaim conversation License: GPL-2 * x11-plugins/gaim-xfire Latest version available: 0.5.8-r1 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of files: 331 kB Homepage: http://www.fryx.ch/xfire/ Description: Xfire plugin for gaim. License: GPL-2 * x11-plugins/gaim-xmms-remote Latest version available: 1.8 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of files: 305 kB Homepage: http://guifications.sourceforge.net/Gaim-XMMS-Remote/ Description: control XMMS from within Gaim License: GPL-2 * x11-plugins/gaimosd Latest version available: 1.0.0 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of files: 297 kB Homepage: http://gaimosd.sourceforge.net/ Description: Gaim OSD is an implementation of the XOSD library, allowing Gaim to display several notification messages. License: GPL-2 * x11-themes/gaim-smileys Latest version available: 20031002 Latest version installed: 20031002 Size of files: 4,395 kB Homepage: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/themes.php Description: Snapshot of Available Gaim Smiley Themes License: as-is

It returns all packages containing that name, and all that information. If you are looking for a package and want to look deeper, use emerge -S (capital S). This will search descriptions as well as names.

2.)

Code: Select all: emerge -pv

This command does a verbose (-v) pretend (-p) merge. It simply lists the packages that would be installed, their USE flags, and the download size (if you already have the file downloaded to your /usr/portage/distfiles directory, it size will say 0kb).

Here's what I see when I do this command with gaim:

Code: Select all: These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild R ] net-im/gaim-2.0.0_pre20060517 USE="audio dbus eds gnutls gstreamer krb4 mono nas nls perl silc spell startup-notification static tcl xss -debug -doc -tk" 0 kB [2]

If you noticed from above that I already have this version of Gaim installed, it only makes sense that no dependencies are necessary right now. However, by default, Gaim's USE doesn't include SILC support. To change this, you can do two things.

3.)
If you decide that a program has too many dependencies, or you don't use Gnome and you want to install nautilus without gnome support (kinda weird, but whatever), you can either use

Code: Select all: USE="gnome" emerge <package>

or, as I prefer to do, edit a certain configuration file to save that flag for later.
To do so (assuming you want to say within the command line) just type

Code: Select all: nano /etc/portage/package.use

.
The next step is to make sure you won't be adding a new line for a package that already has one. Push CTRL+W and then type in the package name. If the line exists, simple add the flag you want (the flag to enable a flag, -flag to disable a flag). Other wise, add a line starting with the full package name. The format is category/application. To check what category your app is in, you can either guess, or refer back to your emerge -s (or -S) information.

4.)
If you want to try out a beta version of a piece of software that you see is in Portage, but masked (like my Gaim 2.0Beta3), then simple add that package name to your /etc/portage/packages.unmask file. For Gaim, I simply did this:

Code: Select all: echo "net-im/gaim" >> /etc/portage/packages.unmask

Note the double redirection symbols! Do NOT use just one. Doing this will nail your packages.unmask file, replacing all of it's contents with that single line.

5.)
The last step is to simply install your software!

Code: Select all: emerge

Equivalent to "apt-get install", this installs whatever package you choose (and the necessary depenencies).

And that's pretty much how to install stuff. Note that step 2/3 and step 4 are optional, but highly recommended, as they are easy to do and help you get things just the way you want them.

Also note that for any steps 3 and higher you need root privileges.

--Patrick C.

by **beko** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 9:37

Thank you (wolfden) ( pxc )you were really helpful & you gave me a good idea how is things working here...right now I am using Sabayon from the live CD & I see everything running very well until now & my next step to install it my hard disk then I will tell you with how things worked for me .

There is something I want to say about the community here....You are great guys very helpful & like to help others & this is very important because I am as Ubuntu user I know that a distro like ubuntu is on the top list not just because it's easy but because it's strong community where you can see everybody tying to help the other one & this is what I can see here now .. So please keep the good work like this & I am sure Sabayon will be on the top of the distro's list very soon because it's deserve this ... It's pretty distro & that will attract many users & powerful like gentoo & easy to be installed beside this great community.

Thank you again for your warm welcome.

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