Minimal Install

[nankura]

Hey guys

Im just wondering if there's a minimal installation option for sabayon that would become more like.... gentoo.. without a DE but past all the stages/cli area

Basically. no programs. and you choose from like a list of de's and basic programs or something

Im an archlinux user myself at the moment. and with there netinstall you can basically get everything and just do a phew user commands and your in via the graphical stage

The only reason i havnt tried gentoo is it just seems like to much work for an installation and Setup if you do normal gentoo. its simply time i dont have

I did read about the anaconda overlay project newly out but i had issues with the livedvd and getting it running. i kept getting an I/O no space left on the device error even after trying the mounting trick

So someone suggested sabayon to me as a great way to get started with gentoo.

So yea. long story short, im wondering if theres anyway to get sabayon similiar to a standard gentoo installation or any sort of minimal installation option

[Fitzcarraldo]

Check out the CoreCDX edition. See also the SL Wiki (link at top right of this page).

amd64, x86_64, x86, K, G, Core etc. - What do they all mean?

[throdon]

Be ready for the compile times. after you

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emerge --sync

I suggest you

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emerge firefox-bin

this is to get a browser up and running quickly, you can always recompile this later.

chromium takes about 5.5 hours to compile on my netbook
oxygen-gtk takes about 3 hours to compile
firefox-bin is binary so better to have a browser in minutes so you can emerge and compile in the background.
also it is always easier to browse from the computer you are working on than glance to another and type code between two computers.

[genfool]

I second corecdx, is a good choice I use it often. It is a bare minimal install with a working x.
It is only fluxbox for a de, lynx for a browser.
From here you can build and install the packages you want on your system. I suggest you stay with the sabayon package manager entropy.

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equo install <package name>

If you do not have time to install gentoo, why mess with compiling from portage, and lose one of the best features of sabayon?
Installing sabayon and running portage to me is like shooting yourself in the foot.
Entropy is a awesome package manager, all the packages available in portage are available in entropy, if you do not see it in entropy but is available in portage. Make a package request and you will get it soon.

entropy package maintainers takes the source packages from portage, compiles them converts them to binary for entropy.
All the hassle of blocked packages, circular dependencies, so on and so forth are fixed for you, and entropy will even get your coffee for you while it updates your kernel and bootloader.

Sabayon is not the easy button for gentoo, running a mixed system of portage and entropy, takes more effort then just installing gentoo and using portage. You need a good understanding of both entropy and portage to make it work with no issues. And thus you spend more time admin the system.

imho, if you want gentoo install it, if you install sabayon keep it simple and enjoy the benefits it offers.
Posted from a gentoo box.

[nankura]

Thanks you all cleared up alot

Frankly i really like the idea of Entropy and ill give it a shot, it makes gentoo more user friendly with a user like me comming a distro like archlinux

Which uses binary and pacman , and is very easy to maintain once your past the week of pain

Sabayon is not the easy button for gentoo, running a mixed system of portage and entropy, takes more effort then just installing gentoo and using portage. You need a good understanding of both entropy and portage to make it work with no issues. And thus you spend more time admin the system.

This interests me alot, i know its strange, but i enjoy some of the manual labour of arch so i was hoping that sabayon wasnt the "easy" button like ubuntu is to debian

I really do want to skip the whole compile/install of gentoo. ( i know, lazyness on my part ), but if sabayon was basically ubuntu. i was gonna just go with gentoo

But that comment definatly has me excited for sabayon, because it seems that you dont provide an easy button. but yet just a better package manager and a skip of a long installation, but the manual labour/learning curve is still required. which is what i want because i feel i can learn alot from a "gentoo" system

Please, feel free to let me know if what im saying here is facts. this is all from your posts and im trying to understand if im getting the correct message here in my head ( my heads spinning over the choices lol )

[genfool]

choose both, I dual boot with gentoo and sabayon, they both are maintained in pretty much the same way.
Just with gentoo, you will learn a lot. with sabayon, you still admin a gentoo system, the hard work is done for you when the entropy package maintainers convert packages from source to binary.

An example is, last night I started a world update of my gentoo system, I had both kde 4.7.1 and libreoffice, was about 286 updates. Just start it before going to bed and is done when you wake up. I forgot to use --keep-going.
Woke up and still had 243 updates to complete. I started it over, this time using --keep-going, and 4 hours later with decent internet speeds and cpu horse power, the update had completed.
Now I need to go back and find why the 6 updates did not install, correct the issues and install them. That took me 15 min to figure out, then another hour for the updates to be installed.
OH yeah, my gentoo rocks and is fully functional.
When I boot sabayon, same update would have taken about 30 min, all the issues would have been corrected before the packages hit entropy,.
If you want to learn, use gentoo and .... learn, nothing wrong with that, nothing wrong with just using sabayon and entropy.
To master entropy and all the available tools it offers, to then start mixing portage safely, is a lot of learning coming up.

For learning, I dual boot sabayon and gentoo, Install sabayon first, then open the gentoo handbook and install gentoo from the installed sabayon system, I have a installed system, all the goodies I want, works fast... just up in the corner of my monitor is a gentoo system being installed on another hard drive... not a big deal to install, maintain that install for a few years, you will learn a lot, you will appreciate the simplicity of gentoo over another distro, you will appreciate what sabayon does for you when you run entropy.

[nankura]

Thanks for all the help. very supportive community and id be happy to be a part of the sabayon community

I just spent the entire day installing gentoo. in a virtualbox for safety reason's at the moment. and after many hours of thrustration and hitting the wall with my head

I managed to get to an xfce desktop

And then after that. i decided to give sabayon an install using CoreCDX , i might use spinbase or Core next. but i definatly have a major respect for what sabayon have done. offering either minimal tools so you can decide yourself. pretty much gentoo with sabayon tools predone

Or a full desktop with programs and tools

Good work sabayon. keep it up, ( i dont get why. but the gentoo community didnt take 100% kindley to sabayon questions )

But after seeing emerge in action and Equo/Entropy

I have a major respect for what Entropy do. when using entropy/equo i feel much more familiarity comming from pacman/archlinux and it allows me to get my work done quickly

Great stuff